cptofthehouse

So each ROTC unit associated with a college has to accept the student in addition to his qualifying for an award and then he has to get into the college. Whew. That's a tough path.

Iron Maiden

Not quite. When the Navy awards the scholarship to a particular school they make sure that unit has room. And then the student has to be actually admitted in the regular college app process.

If the student want to move their scholarship to another school on their list they have to ask the Navy for permission. The Navy will see of there is space in the unit at the school the student wants to attend. If not then the answer is no. If there is space then the Navy decides if they will allow the transfer. It is rare.

So the student really needs to put thought into the order of schools on their NROTC app.

It is a tough road. Most students don't get the scholarship. For those that do some are dropped quickly for failing the physical. Many more drop just before Sophomore year when they have to sign their contract. More drop after that due to grades or fitness. Those that drop after they sign the contract have to either pay back all the scholarship money or enlist for a period of time. It is the Navy's choice which not the student.

Prior to Senior year in college there is more fun when the Midshipmen test and fill out forms for Service Selection. You tell the Navy what you would like to do (aviation, SWO, subs). Based on your GPA, Navy test scores, evals, etc the Navy then tells you what you will do after commissioning. If you are chosen for Aviation there are more even more strenuous physicals. Fail those and you get re-assigned. You state your preferences but what actually happens is based on the needs of the Navy.

cptofthehouse

My cousin's son was not accepted to the college for which he got his ROTC acceptance. He did get the scholarship, but had to find another school to use it since he was waitlisted at school of choice. He did get the scholarship transferred over to his second choice school without much problem, but then he was cleared from the wait listed school, but was told the chances were not good for him to be able the transfer his scholarship back.

He's now completed his first year and is applying to transfer to that first choice college again and hopefully can transfer his scholarship as well, since he can't go without it.

Iron Maiden

CPT, that is a bit of a different situation than an incoming Freshman trying to transfer their scholarship. I think your cousin's son's transfer depends on a few things:

1) His status within his current NROTC unit. What is his ranking within the Unit? The Midshipment know this number. If it is high then that helps.

2) Is the school to which he wants to transfer more expensive or less expensive than his current one. More expensive means it is very likely he won't get the NROTC transfer.

3) Does the unit at the school to which he wants to transfer have room in the Unit?

Let us know what happens.

wyattthehopeful

Sorry for replying so late, but anyways as far as tier 2 and 1 degrees are concerned i admit i would love to chose one of those however my math skills are as far as im concerned below average. i have scored above average in terms of the TAKS test which is the state exam for Texas, but i didn't get commended also accounting for Texas's low education rank i don't consider math to be my strong suit. Science is the same story but not as bad. That being said i plan to major in either finance, business, or accounting (those are the type of numbers that i understand) im aware of the extra calculus class, and am pretty confident that i can push through it without too much of a problem. As far as the SAT/ACT testing dates im enrolled for next month due to college board and ACT revoking my first request for accommodations and after a second attempt at applying i was approved, my school is scheduled for next moth testing but its ONLY for students who require accommodations. on the note of testing i am also aware that you can submit up to 6 scores and they highest for each section will be chosen. That being said i have been told the ACT is easier for math whereas the SAT is easier for reading (reading poses no problem whatsoever regardless of the test, i just want to maximize my scores accordingly) my question is if i score higher on my ACT in math versus my SAT but vice versa for reading will NROTC accept two scores from two different test? As far as my rank im currently 125 out of a class of 600 but this is with three NG's(no grade due to an error at the attendance office) on my transcript for first semester and one for second (when they get cleared ill probably jump to the 80's or 90's) my course load this year has been all AP classes except math (im dyslexic and it really just dosent stick sometimes) however next year i planned to drop AP English as a way to boost my GPA (instead of making an AP b i would go for a regular a) however would this reflect poorly on my application? Also im currently enrolled in community college as well, and should my community college GPA be higher than my high school is that worth mentioning? if so how do i mention it? Motive wise i want to join the navy for a number of reasons one of them is tradition, but also i believe that i have something to truly offer my country, and the navy can offer me some truly valuable lifetime experiences, memories, and friends. Along the lines of tradition going in through NROTC will make me the first person in my family ever to do so (ive already been pegged as "the smart one") even without the scholarship i still plan to enter NROTC, and to honestly take out a mass of student loans, and hopefully get them forgiven when i get in the service (if not im fine with paying them off till i die)but in terms of paying off student loans and/or getting them forgiven how exactly would i go about that when i enter the service?

PackMom

The SAT/ACT accomodations and a diagnosis of dyslexia will probably get you DQ'd.
You seriously need to check into this before you go any further.
It's possible that you could qualify for AROTC.

Regardless of your college major, for NROTC you're required to take Calc I&II, Physics I&II ( both of these are the the same ones the engineering majors have to take) and Chem. I&II.

wyattthehopeful

well the accommodation is just to have a laptop for the writing portion of the test. As far as being DQ'd goes if i dont mention anything about my dyslexia will i be fine (the only way itll come up otherwise is if they pull my school medical file) im sure it wont inhibit me from doing a productive job as i can read, think, and write on a superior level the only time i lose my footing is when a mass of equations and numbers are closely together then i get a tad bit disoriented. Its gotten much better over the years so would it be possible to even get such a diagnosis cleared from my record?

Iron Maiden

Whoa, whoa stop. First, you can't submit any SAT or ACT score that was taken using an accommodation. That is noted on the results that are sent to the Navy from the test. The Navy won't accept them period.

Second, you can't "not mention" dyslexia. Lying on the app is a felony. You will be required to have medical records sent directly from your physician. Dyslexia is a question asked. If you are going to lie about it you have no business being an officer. It is an automatic DQ. And I believe it is a DQ for all branches of the military.

I think you are underestimating the difficulty of college calculus and physics. What is the highest level math course you have completed? My son had AP Calc in high school and was on th math team. As a Tier 3 major he really struggled with college Calc and physics.

Just joining NROTC without a scholarship won't help you. You still have to take the same courses, fill out the same app, and take the same physical.

I'm afraid you need a different plan.

wyattthehopeful

I didnt mean to blatantly lie or such things but to my understanding my brother had a similar problem when working on a submarine with asthma being that he didnt mention it in order to get on, i assure you lying is the VERY LEAST if ANY of my intentions, but on the subject of dyslexia in general as far as im concerned i dont belive i have it (the general reason i was diagnosed at first was for reading and writing) seeing as to how reading and writing now come as natrual to me as breathing i dont belive its an accurate diagnosis true my handwriting may be down in the boonies but that has everything to do with dysgraphia rather than dyslexia, and belive it or not thats what the accommodation was for (to help with my handwriting) both my school nurse ans phhysician think dysgraphia is more of an appropriate diagnosisn and have been saying so for years, but the money it requires to get the test done to determine so are more than out of budget range. But i belive a spacial muscle disorder that affects handwriting only is the closest thing to what my problem is. In terms of math im not disabled from salving problems when they are displayed virtually inches appart from each other it just takes me longer than normal. If i have to strong arm my way through a few SAT/ACT test with no laptop i will (i can use this upcoming score as a general college admission score) class wise the math and science ill learn to have to manage (i always have) as far as math goes ive just had algerbraII this year and am going into pre-cal next year. As far as the state of texas is concerned im right on track, but thats what scares me. I dont trust a state with a low education rank like texas to reassure me im right where i need to be in regards to my future plans (hence some of my nervousness and uneasiness about everything) science wise i just finished up in AP Physics this year and plan to roll on into AP Environmental science next yer (all the other science choices are non AP) so given my "dyslexia" would it be possible to get this changed to dysgraphia if i were to be re-diagnosed with that? will that still cause issues as far as applications are concerned? And just how eccentric are my fears when it comes to the education of my state and my readiness for college? once more i had no intention of lying I.E. just giving a blatant no when asked if i was dyslexic or not (which i really dont believe is an accurate term to be honest) but to take the "if you dont ask i wont tell" approach. Apologies if that comes across as morally wrong and disgusting but i don't think that im required to say to the Navy what they dont ask am I? well i withdraw that i believe the answer is yes no? In all honesty im just a tad bit heartbroken on this one, but with God as my witness if i have to claw my way through that application with no accommodations and work my butt off mowing lawns, washing cars, and cleaning houses to pay for a re-diagnosis (hopefully with a disorder that wont jeprodize me) then i can suck it up and get it done. All i need is a possibility, be it small or large.

Iron Maiden

A lie of omission is still a lie and it is blatant. You have to list that you have had the diagnois and or any accommodations within the last 12 months as well.

You need to reconsider this. You are a long shot to get the scholarship at best since you will be submitting very late and as a Tier 3 applicant. Your medical will probably get you DQd. And Pre-calc in HS will not prepare you for college Calc which is a requirement.

I'm not trying to be mean just realistic. You need a plan B and C. Wishing will not make it so. Best wishes I've said my piece

wyattthehopeful

I do appreciate the brash answers, and aside from being dealt a warehouse of lemons here nothing left to do but push on forward regardless, after all it wouldnt hurt to try anyways right? Thank you for all the information i REALLY wish my local recruiter was as knowledgeable, but regardless of that fact i have a backup plan already in place so i guess no harm no foul, but i am still pretty disappointed to say the least. Sorry if ive come across as a scheming conniving liar because im neither of the three just desperate in a sense, but not crazy enough to try and loophole my way into the service. If i do get any further information i wont hesitate to post and update whatsoever

juillet

Finance and accounting are math-heavy majors, so if you can do the math for those likely you can do the math for a tier 2 major. Consider double-majoring in a tier 2 major - Quantitative Economics and Statistics are two tier-2 majors that are very applicable to business and that are in the second tier.

If you have a hard time with a "mass of equations and numbers," how do you plan to major in finance or accounting?

I don't think dyslexia or dysgraphia are disqualifying conditions for the NROTC scholarship. I don't see that listed anywhere - they are usually medical conditions that are DQing (physical and mental health). I had a history of asthma, which is a disqualifying condition, and I still received an NROTC scholarship. You'll have to talk to a recruiter to be sure. Do you have a JROTC program at your high school? We had an NJROTC program at my high school, and the leader of that program counseled me on my application even though I wasn't in ROTC. (I wanted to be, but my parents wouldn't let me.)

How on earth did you finish AP Physics when you are going into pre-cal next year? Did you take Physics B?

wyattthehopeful

I decided on finance or accounting when i went to a local university and sat in on an accounting class, for the most part it was just putting the right transactions to the proper ledger doing a few algebraic equations to calculate ending balance, interest, profit/loss percentages, etc.. i can do things such as that, and for all i know college math classes may not cram equations into a board and confuse me, but declaring a major that deals in math would require time, which i know in college i will have an abundance of, but i cant just teach myself, and i doubt student tutors will be willing to put forth enough patience to keep me steady. honestly i looked into quantitative economics along with a mass of other tier 1 and 2 degrees and most of them boiled down to math as a key concept for success, this scared me back into accounting since i had a small idea of what it would be like in college. as far as school ROTC my highschool has just that an ROTC class, but my mother wouldnt let me take it. The teacher and director of the program is strictly an army man (hes a vet and everything) and judging from the few times i talked to him only knew about naval policies that were roughly the same as the army. Physics is actually a required course for junior year at my highschool, but algebraII is also unless taking calculus and pre-cal ap and pre-ap. the physics wasn't that difficult to be honest it was a few velocity problems here and a few potential energy problems there and for the most part went smoothly (but my original teacher did leave at the start of the year which made us go 8 weeks without official instruction) I know just like anyone i can be taught to understand, but with math it just takes time, and im more than willing to sacrifice a majority of my time if i have someone behind me to help me learn and understand it, the uneasiness for me is the thought of being in a tier 1 or 2 major with no one willing to sacrifice the hours of tutoring, teaching, and explaining to make sure i get it

Iron Maiden

Forget about recruiters. There are no NROTC recruiters. Recruiters are there for enlisted and are not knowledgeable about ROTC.

Dyslexia is absolutely an automatic DQ. Check the DODMERB site for a list of disqualifying conditions. To talk with someone at DODMERB call 1-800-841-2706 from 7AM-4 PM, Mountain Time, Mon - Fri.

dodgersmom

No, it is not. Although checking the DoDMERB website, as you suggested, is far from straightforward, what I found at Medical Standards for Appointments and Enlistments, after searching there for "dyslexia," states that disqualification is not automatic:

If you have information from a DoD source that states otherwise, please provide the link.

You appear to be quite knowledgeable about military matters and I, admittedly, know absolutely nothing. But my limited research contradicts what you've said. Unless you can back up the claims you've made regarding "automatic disqualification," please don't speculate.

Further, to the best of my knowledge, neither College Board nor ACT currently reports whether or not a test was taken with accommodations, despite this having been the practice in the past. That would, of course, not relieve the candidate from declaring the accommodations himself.

Now, whether the OP can satisfy the standard I've quoted above is another matter entirely. But at least he's got a heck of a lot more of a chance than he'd have with "automatic disqualification"!