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Old 03-26-2008, 03:53 PM   #16
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Language is everything. You never get a college to "compete" with another college and you don't get them to "negotiate" aid. Most important learn as much as you can about the process at the schools that you are interested in.

During the admissions cycle D got accepted to amherst, dartmouth, williams, barnard, tufts, bryn mawr and Mount Holyoke.

There was a total of $12,256 between the Barnard package and the final offer we got from Dartmouth (we used the Williams offer for a financial review from Dartmouth (Dartmouth met the williams package) where D is now attending. However, the Williams package was not the overall best package, we were just requesting a financial review between 2 comprable schools; her top 2 choices).

Originally Williams gave more grant money,less loans, a less student contribution, less parent contribution than Dartmouth.

Dartmouth met Williams' EFC, lowered the loans, and met the grant aid.


I personally would not use the approach of what school a, b, and c offerd) as admission officers, Financial aid offers and those who work in enrollment management are very savvy when it comes to looking at "their competition", who choses their school over school A, B or C so the approach could come back to bite you. No one wants to feel that they are in a bidding war over students. If you need a review, I would only send on package per school; school a & b, or c and a (or what ever combination works for you). Schools want to know that you are coming for the education. Although money is a factor, if it is really that big of a factor, some will tell you to go where your money can take you.

While one does not use the words "negotiate" I am going to use the word to state some important points...

1.Know the financial aid policy of the schools that you are dealing with.

Many schools are part of the 568 Presidents' Group Member Institutions do agree not to get into a bidding war with the other member institutions over students

http://568group.org/docs/568statute.pdf

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Some schools are up front with the fact that they do preferential packaging (Muhlenberg, BU -when it comes to giving out merit money). Some schools purposly give you an admit-deny, they admit you then give you a package that is so out there you cannot afford to attend.

Some schools (wesleyan and brown come to mind) are very upfront with the fact that they do not negotiate aid any you must really have some extenuating financial situation in order to get a financial review.

Read the fine print that comes with your award letter.

In our house we were very fortunate because D's first choice (which did not give the overall best package) stated in their FA brochure that they sent with the award letter that you could request a financial review even if it meant sending in another school's offer. We did request a review sent in School B's offer. We also knew that when it came to losing students- while school B did lose students to HYP, it was a 50/50 split when it came to chosing school A over school B (and vice versa). The Director of Admissions and FA even stated it in the school's daily newspaper. So read those school newspapers, they are a weath of information. When we contacted Current college D told them that it was her first choice, but school b was the more economically feasible option for our family and stated why. She faxed over school B's offer letter and a few days later they sent a letter meeting the offer (by the same token D also knew that if we could not get the $$ that she would be attending school B).


2. Know how and where you stand as far as the applicant pool. If the school sees you as some one "worth" negotiating for ( I don't know what constitutes worth but often it has to do with where you are in regards to the school's institutional mission) you could end up with more money.

3. IF you have a package from a school that is based on merit money, it is very unlikely that you will be able to negotiate a a comprable package from a school that has a need blind approach to FA. Most need based schools are very explicit about the fact that they don't consider merit money when comparing packages.

I think you have to really break down the packages as if you were footing the bill.

Look at loans as money coming out of pocket (as it is out of pocket, it is just not coming out of pocket at this moment).

Look at the student contribution (which can also be considered out of pocket because if the student does not eaarn the money, the college does not make up the short fall. There will be a gap that you as parent will have to make up by writing a bigger check or taking out another loan)

IF the schools are in different states, look at the cost of coming home. Is it plan, train or automobile? because it is going to cost something.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:26 PM   #17
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Should you address the request for review to the fin aid officer, or to the admissions director, or cc admissions?
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:45 PM   #18
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All questions concerning need based FA/EFC/Loans should go to financial aid office.

Since merit $$ is usually tied to admissions, I would start with them concerning merit $
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:56 PM   #19
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We tried this but it didn't work. We were told that could you ask for a reconsideration of award and send your other awards to see if they'd match. I was offered $9100 from U. of Redlands and I was admitted at Chapman (first choice school) so asked if they could help at all and that Redlands (comparable school) gave $8K merit and $1080 grant. They said "no" flat out. They said I needed a 3.8GPA etc. We found out later that if you aren't in the top 10-20% of applicants you won't get anything typically.
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:19 PM   #20
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I was wondering whether I should have my parents talk with the financial aid office or whether I should communicate myself. Since I don't know all of the specifics of my parents' finances, I think that they might be able to best explain the issue. However, I am concerned that if I don't talk with the office, myself, that they might not view me as truly interested in the school. Do any of you guys have previous experience and/or advice concerning this?
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:33 PM   #21
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Since I don't know all of the specifics of my parents' finances, I think that they might be able to best explain the issue.
Exactly why I was the person who requested the appeal and explained my situtation.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:08 PM   #22
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I know two unrelated people who got better deals by negotiating.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:32 PM   #23
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My son didn't really negotiate, just indicated he was disappointed (in merit offer) One school gave him an additonal $1500, the other school indicated they could not do anything more.
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Old 03-27-2008, 12:39 PM   #24
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Asking for Merit Aide:

I believe in asking for merit money if you believe your level of achievement should get it. I've seen people get their merit award raised and I have a personal story where my son went from no merit aide to $17,500 per year. My son's story raises an issue that I haven't seen on a post which is that a college could make a mistake the first time they reviewed your application. Without mentioning the school's name, my son applied to his safety schools, his targets and his reaches. A safety, where we knew that merit awards were given to select students, sent back an acceptance but with no merit money. I called them, they pulled up my son's information, and we went over the criteria for getting merit money, comparing it with my son's record. The result of the call, which I followed up with an email, was that the school formally reviewed my son's materials again and sent him a letter with the highest level merit scholarship they give. So the lesson here is two-fold. First, the school could have made a mistake, and second, that if there's a reason to, a school will often review an applicant's records a second time.
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:01 PM   #25
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bjjacohen, et al:

Thanks for the informative posts and encouragement. As a result my son will be asking additional consideration for more merit $ at his #1 choice school. His modest award was based on an early action application that did not include his mid-year grades. Although he has never tested lower than 760 on any SAT I or II test and has 5's on his APs, his grades were low in his frosh & soph years: ~3.2 at a Newsweek elite public HS. Jr year was much improved and his senior mid-year grades were stellar and include 3 APs & 3 dual enrollment. I hope this is enough for the school to award more merit aid. He has less expensive alternatives at schools that are acceptable to him, but quite naturally he'd like to go to his #1.

I tried to work with the FA people for something more than crippling loans and no grant, but they weren't accommodating in the least. After I hinted to FA in my final correspondence that he may not choose to attend, he got a call from admissions with apologies, but no more money.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:57 PM   #26
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Negotiating Aid

It's also important to look at whether the school uses just the FAFSA to determine financial aid or the FAFSA plus supplemental information. The two can produce radically different EFCs and therefore different grant amounts, especially if the university guarantees meeting all demonstrated need.

I got into an Ivy, but the aid package they offered was far too small, so I wrote them a letter explaining some of my financial circumstances, and that I would really only be able to go if they improved their offer, so they changed from one EFC to the other EFC, and my aid package improved by about $10,000 in grants.

Remember that writing the financial office a letter can never hurt, so you might as well give it a shot. If the financial aid officers aren't willing to raise the aid offer, even if they're fundamentally opposed to giving you anymore aid because your reasons are bad or whatever, it's not like they're going to lower your aid package or rescind your admittance.
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:11 AM   #27
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^^actually, i've heard its possible for them to lower an aid package after taking a closer look at your finances, but probably still very rare.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:03 AM   #28
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Got more without asking from one school !

My daughter has been accepted to three LAC in Michigan/Indiana/Ohio area. Her top choice school offered the lowest merit scholarship. While I was composing a delicately worded letter to top choice school, the school which had already offered the highest scholarship sent us a letter increasing her offer by $2000. In light of recent decisions by Harvard and Yale to use more of their endowment on student merit aid, this school had decided to review their merit awards for all students and were increasing use of their endowment for this purpose.

I e-mailed and later spoke with admissions counselor from the top choice school and compared the final cost of attending their school versus the other two -- no offer to increase was made, except that she might get an additional small scholarship for being a national merit scholar finalist. We'll be visiting soon for admitted students' day, so I might take the opportunity to explore this further. We'll also be taking a second look at the higher offer school to make sure daughter wouldn't like it just as well...
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Got more without asking from one school !

My daughter has been accepted to three LAC in Michigan/Indiana/Ohio area. Her top choice school offered the lowest merit scholarship. While I was composing a delicately worded letter to top choice school, the school which had already offered the highest scholarship sent us a letter increasing her offer by $2000. In light of recent decisions by Harvard and Yale to use more of their endowment on student merit aid, this school had decided to review their merit awards for all students and were increasing use of their endowment for this purpose.

I e-mailed and later spoke with admissions counselor from the top choice school and compared the final cost of attending their school versus the other two -- no offer to increase was made, except that she might get an additional small scholarship for being a national merit scholar finalist. We'll be visiting soon for admitted students' day, so I might take the opportunity to explore this further. We'll also be taking a second look at the higher offer school to make sure daughter wouldn't like it just as well...
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Old 03-29-2008, 11:28 AM   #30
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research before asking for a grant

I am impressed with all the sound advice I've gotten--Thanks. I made sure the colleges were not in the 568 group - that would have been embarrassing. I understand now I need to review the chosen school's financial aid policy to make sure I'm not asking for a merit scholarship if they don't give them, period.

Can someone help me with collegeboard.com? Sybbie719 (thank YOU for all your info) recommended researching where the packages given lie as far as average packages--I've been trying for half an hour but I can't find where on the website that would be.

I can't wait for this to be over (only to start again with child #2, oh well)
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