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St. John's vs. Fordham - Which is better?

College YahooCollege Yahoo Posts: 198Registered User Junior Member
edited December 2010 in Fordham University
I guess we'll have to wait to see who wins tonight, huh? These two schools are virtually twins, although I would say fraternal as opposed to identical. So many similar qualities.

Hopefully the game will be a close and good one. On YES at 7pm.
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Replies to: St. John's vs. Fordham - Which is better?

  • PhoenixRPhoenixR Posts: 634Registered User Member
    Are you talking about St. John's at Queens?
  • ghostbusterghostbuster Posts: 1,590- Senior Member
    Uhhhhh.....I hope you mean the basketball teams are similar and not the academic schools. I don't ever bash schools and tread very carefully about judging anyone....but I have to say, in New York.....Fordham is hugely more respected academically than St. Johns. They are not virtual twins. Not wanting to start a terrible war and I don't know if you are a Fordham Ram or a St. John's troll on this thread looking to start a war.....but it needs to be said. Just look at the USNWR rankings. Sorry.

    As for the basketball game tonight at Rose Hill, its sold out. Rose Hill Gym will be rocking...a good thing, since Fordham has been to hell and back the last few seasons and now seems to be making strides in improving its program. St. John's is also struggling but has more recent success. Its going to be a very good game and hopefully very close. I am also hopeful the fans for both teams behave themselves and acquit themselves like ladies and gentlemen.
  • College YahooCollege Yahoo Posts: 198Registered User Junior Member
    The quality of students based on tests and admissions are not too far apart. Fordham and St. John's both are based in the outer boros, with similar style campuses and are both actively trying to improve their regional and national reputations. The caliber of the programs make them peers and they are both NY's premier catholic institutions. In fact, Fordham used to be called St. Johns many many years ago. Among colleges in NY, these two are closest in regards to reputation, campus environment, feel, etc. Don't get me wrong, these are two solid schools with great histories.
  • azmommazmomm Posts: 177Registered User Junior Member
    Great Game. 84-81 Fordham. GO RAMS
  • ghostbusterghostbuster Posts: 1,590- Senior Member
    Huuuuuge upset, especially considering where we have been the last two years.....Pecora has these boys believing in themselves. And the Red Storm of St. Johns were talking trash all week about us and came into our house and were making a lot of noise...but we packed the house (and were scalping tickets!) and upset them. Great win for the Rams. Students stormed the court after the game! Havent seen that in years!

    Just huge. Now we have to build on this win.....and take down some A10 teams.

    Go Rams!
  • ghostbusterghostbuster Posts: 1,590- Senior Member
    Yahoo....sorry, I am not going to get into it with you on these two schools. They are vastly different and the caliber of student at Fordham is much higher than St. John's. Fordham was known as St. John's college before it was run by the Jesuits. I don't bash schools. So I am not going there. But Fordham has an outstanding Jesuit National Reputation and its SAT scores are higher than St. Johns by a bunch.

    Fordham's graduate programs and Law School are also ranked much higher than St. Johns. Not trying to sound arrogant. Just correcting the record here.
  • College YahooCollege Yahoo Posts: 198Registered User Junior Member
    you've got 2 be kiddin me. Fordham won that game!? I watched it when they got within 9 and turned it off when they were down by 20! Too bad I changed the channel and missed the comeback!!
  • trollnyctrollnyc Posts: 139Registered User Junior Member
    I see both Fordham and St.Johns as peers...
  • ghostbusterghostbuster Posts: 1,590- Senior Member
    Sorry troll, but you are badly mistaken. Again, I am not picking on St. Johns and dont like to make negative comments about any school, but I feel compelled to correct the record for people who don't know better:

    St. John's student profile is about 100 SAT pts. below that of Fordham's. Fact.

    It is nowhere near the ranking of Fordham in USNWR.

    Admissions Data (2008):
    Percent of Applicants Admitted: 46%
    Test Scores -- 25th / 75th Percentile
    SAT Critical Reading: 480 / 580
    SAT Math: 490 / 610
    SAT Writing: - / -
    What these SAT numbers mean
    Big East SAT comparison chart
    ACT Composite: - / -
    ACT English: - / -
    ACT Math: - / -
    Enrollment (2008):
    Total Enrollment: 20,109 (14,816 undergraduates)
    Gender Breakdown: 45% Male / 55% Female
    81% Full-time
  • trollnyctrollnyc Posts: 139Registered User Junior Member
    Fordham's acceptance rate is 50% vs. St. John's 43% according to US News. I dont think people consider a 100 score differnce in the SAT as a reason not to consider these two schools peers. I believe their maybe a 100 point difference in the SAT scores of Harvard and Yale but they are still peers, no? I think if you ask the average NYer he/she would see FU interchangeable with St. Johns based on prestige and reputation. With St. Johns acquisition of the College of Insurance, it now boasts a foothold in Manhattan and levelling the field a little. St. Johns educated many prominent politicians like Mario Cuomo, which gives it great prestige.
  • w'everw'ever Posts: 3Registered User New Member
    Other than that they're both in NYC, I don't see how they compare.

    Fordham
    Rank: 56
    SAT Range: 1140-1340 // 1710-2010
    Retention: 90%
    Graduation: 79%
    In State Students: 46%

    St. Johns
    Rank: 143
    SAT Range: 960-1190
    Retention: 78%
    Graduation: 58%
    In State Students: 70%
  • sylvan8798sylvan8798 Posts: 4,099Registered User Senior Member
    I would think that to at least some extent, the question is how do they compare in the minds of students and parents making application lists who DO NOT live in NYC. We considered both schools for S list, and St. Johns seemed lower in our minds and did not present any particular reason why they should be added to the list. YMMV
  • rickard0529rickard0529 Posts: 13Registered User New Member
    A few years ago when my D was looking into colleges, we did look at Fordham but not St. John's. She attended Fordham with UConn being her second choice. Academically, those are comparable schools. St. John's is a notch down from Fordham as Fordham is, perhaps, from Georgetown.
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