hey guys, i don't really know anything about G-town except for its foreign service school.
can somebody give me an overview of SFS? also, what other majors are particularly well known at georgetown? i'm looking to be an econ major but i also really like the international stuff...that really interests me.
Wow... Incredible the misinformation in these boards...
hawaiiboy15- Georgetown actually has a government major, not poli sci... but thats just a different name for it... and yes it is very good
hawkphoenix- The business school is definitely NOT top 10 in the country, not even top 20 I think, but its up and coming and theyre getting a brand new building. I really believe they will get there eventually
younamehere- Again, Georgetown actually has no IR major. The SFS is all IR and they have different concentrations (Int Politics, Int Econ, Cult and Pol, etc)
Anyways younamehere... The School of Foreign Service was recently ranked the 4th best undergraduate IR program (and #1 graduate) Theyre a very good school. They have an International Economics department, but I must warn you, the department sucks. I came in as an Econ major and ended up switching to Government for an extensive number of reasons.
All the SFS people I know are very very happy with the school and great awesome internships/jobs
To add to the person above me, I've heard MSB is one of the easier schools to get accepted into at Gtown probably because it's more well known for it's IR focus so tons of people apply to SFS and the College obviously had the biggest number of applicants as do pretty much all Arts&Sciences Schools of other colleges.
jdelavalle, as someone in the college who is considering majoring in econ or political economy, I would be interested in hearing more about the problems you've had with the econ department, even by PM if it would make you feel more comfortable
"hawkphoenix- The business school is definitely NOT top 10 in the country, not even top 20 I think, but its up and coming and theyre getting a brand new building. I really believe they will get there eventually"
The MSB was #11 in by Business Week in 2007 and dropped to whatever it is now due to "student dissatisfaction," and they did this whole investigation (if you will) on why that was.
The school itself is great - but as someone who is in it right now, its really what you make of it. You can be great and go on to Wall Street (banking, consulting, etc) if you work hard and actively pursue internships and extracurricular activities (particularly the professional ones ie Credit Union, Corp, GERMS, etc) OR you can be a lazy D-bag and majoring in bs stuff like marketing and mgmt (no offense to anyone) - feel free to disagree with me, but you find some of the most motivated and smart people in the MSB and also some of the laziest and dumbest people - and we get a bad rep from the latter. Trust me if you want to do business and you're motivated - you will find your crowd here and competition is fierce - esp for that Wall Street internship.
Biz school is in fact top 20 and will shoot higher with the opening of the brand new mcdonogh school of business building.
georgetown also has good pre-med programs and a good biology department that offers majors in biology of global health, neurobiology, environmental biology, and of course your ordinary biology. new science building supposed to open in a few years but building is being delayed due to economic crisis.
sfs is most well-known aspect of georgetown, provides liberal arts education and an international affairs education through the core curriculum, which is very intensive meaning you will take almost the same courses as everyone else your first two years but your last two years really open up and you can take a variety of courses that eventually lead to a major in international econ, international politics (highly suggested), stia (pre-med courses can go towards your major for this one), and more.
msb and sfs have great internship/job opportunities.
and you can technically major in international affairs in the college but it would technically be called major in government with concentration in international affairs (you can choose from a number of other concentrations as well for the government major)
graduate school (georgetown's msfs grad program = tops in nation), law school, even medical school, peace corps, teach for america, jobs with a NGO's and federal agencies, public service, especially department of state, investment banks (in the past at least), just to name a few
DCforMe and tlesc01, I definitely do not mean to discourage either one of you from pursuing econ. In fact the department has a great reputation outside of the university.
However, as soon as you step on Georgetown, you will hear some pretty bad stories about certain professors, certain classes, 'the econ curve'. I honestly believe this is because the department's main concern is not undergrads, but rather graduate/research. But this is just my opinion, and I will only share my own experience.
I came into Georgetown convinced I would be an Econ major, then changed my mind because I really liked by GOVT classes at Georgetown, so I switched to Political Economy. I recently switched to government because my experience with the Econ department was horrible (The Econ Department is also the home department for the Political Economy major)
To begin with, as a general rule, undergraduates get really bad professors. As an exmaple, in the last class I took, Econ Stats, my professor was a guy who just got his Ph.D. (in May) and was given the job. The TA for the class did not speak English (literally) and left half way through the semester. A recently retired professor had the nickname "D-" for obvious reasons.
The advisor I was assigned (and advisor for the PECO major - heck, why not say his name, Langunoff) never met with me, I sent him 4 emails, he never responded. When I went to his office, the door had a sign in the door that read "DONT KNOCK UNLESS YOU HAVE AN APPOINMENT." There is no help offered by the department for undergraduates (other than private tutoring by graduate students, which can be very expensive) unlike many other departments, such as the math department, where I got tutored for Econ Stats.
And while professors are generally helpful and are very very smart guys, they lack teaching skills.
Finally, I gave up on the major this semester, when my major GPA got to a point in which it was .5 points lower than my general GPA. The department's grading system was really dragging me down. And thats after withdrawing from two econ classes halfway through the semester (leaving ugly Ws in my transcript) In a recent article by the Georgetown Voice, I read that while the average GPA at Gtown is at around a 3.45, for econ and peco majors it is around 3.2, second to lowest and lowest in the university respectively.
I did it reluctantly. I love Economics and I know how useful that knowledge can be. But it was one of decisions where I had to compromise what I wanted to do for what was best for me. If you ask me, thats just sad, but nobody at Georgetown seems to mind.
That said, I would give a shot if I were you guys. Im glad I did, im glad I pursued my interests and got as far as I was able to get. I will graduate as a Government major, but also as an econ minor and Im also going for a Latin American Studies certificate, which reflects the advantages of a flexible liberal arts education program