Woswill

So not cheating in college will ensure your business in succeeding? Lolz.

The only thing we gain from cheating is a better grade, and the people who cheat know it.

We dont cheat on tests and say to ourselves "OH MAN WERE ****ING SMART DUDE!!"

piccolojunior

Gah. Some of us, like myself, are in the position where there is no way we can score any higher by cheating, meaning that even if we were tempted there would be no one in the room who would be able to know the answer to any problematic....problem.

southeasttitan

Disciplining the teacher for catching a student cheating? OK, that's ********. I cheat, and I freely admit it, but...if I ever got caught, I would 'fess up.

The reason I cheat in some classes: my teachers are ****, and don't know what they're talking about, but they give tests that are hard as hell. In the classes where my teachers actually teach, I never have a problem, and I never cheat.

lunar_years

Ugh, physics was a circus today. The teacher gave us a quiz that no one knew about, and it quickly degenerated into an open-book assignment. People were yelling answers at each other across the room and flipping frantically through their textbooks; he saw it all and didn't even care. It was the weirdest thing ever.

Keshira

But if everybody cheats then you'll be at a significant disadvantage for not cheating.

Cheating on small things like hw is so prevalent now that you aren't really gaining a big advantage on anybody else... it's the big stuff that annoys me. Even when the teachers know a student plagiarized a project, they still grade them as if they didn't, saying they "aren't mature enough" yet and will learn when they "grow up"

House of London

Not to mention how kicked to curb you will be when it comes to class rank. Those who cheat will end up moving high up the rank thus causing it a tip harder to be admitted to top schools.

technol21

I don't know why I've been avoiding this subject, but I guess I'll chime in now.

It would be very difficult to regulate cheating in standardized test situations without extreme measures being taken. Most proctors don't care enough to check which sections students are working in, nor do they know the difference between a TI-83 and a TI-89. Sucks, but it's the truth. A solution to this would be having each section collected after they are completed and desks with walls on 3 sides, but that would be ridiculous and a huge, complex inconvenience. Unfortunately, things like this are left up to the integrity of the students. Whether or not they make the right decisions doesn't matter to anyone but themselves.

In a high school setting, cheating is even worse, and also surprisingly widely accepted by teachers. I don't know how teachers can grade papers and not see trends, or even if they do, just overlook them without any suspicion or consequences. Perhaps its laziness, perhaps its ignorance, who knows? I can excuse cheating on homework, but that's where the definition of cheating comes in. Is working in large groups or using Sparknotes cheating? To me, no. Is blatantly copying someone else's work on a BS assignment cheating. Yes, but for some reason I see that as excusable too if the person takes the time to actually read over the assignment and learn the material.

What really irks me is cheating on tests and projects, where teachers don't do their part to ensure fairness to other students. If someone copies a wikipedia entry for a report and gets a 100% while I properly do research, citing sources and such and get a 100%, that's aggravating. Also, on tests, where answers are text-messaged across the room or someone passes around a set of copied answers. I KNOW that teachers know about this. Some interfere, some don't. Also, I don't see why innocent students should be put in the position of "snitching" on their classmates when a teacher is fully aware of the situation and will do nothing about it. I've had a few smart teachers that hand out different versions of tests and actually enforce their rules about cheating, but they are hard to come by. What's actually pretty funny about this situation is that most of the kids that cheat still end up failing or doing poorly anyway. Nonetheless, the kids that do cheat and are successful are more bothersome because they have a false sense of accomplishment and often receive recognition for it. Honestly, ranks don't matter at all, but I understand how dedicated, honest students feel when they are surpassed by their cheating peers.

That was pretty-long winded, but pretty much there's not much that can be done about cheating without serious effort from the people in charge. Students bringing it to their attention may help, but again, it depends on what type of school/teacher/environment you're dealing with. At my school the message is "graduate by any means necessary" while at other schools it may be "get into the ivies by any means necessary", so I could imagine two huge different perspectives on and methods of cheating. ::sigh:: oh well.

CI180

Think about it this way: Imagine you're taking a test on, say, ancient Sumerian history. You're going to be an Engineering major and will never take a history class in college. Your teacher is very attentive; cheating is extremely difficult. The test itself is practically impossible; a B is just about unattainable, much less an A.

Which will be a more beneficial skill in the long run: the ability to pass such a test over information that is ultimately useless to you, or the ability to cheat successfully on it?

The answer should be pretty obvious.

yesnomaybeso7

Yeah, I guess it would be better to learn how to cheat then actually be good at retaining information, if you wanna be, i don't know, a drug mule.

Narcissa

"Cheaters in the long run, however, will eventually get what they deserve."

...do they really?

"Cheating, so horrible. It's right up their with Darfur and Ugandan child soldiers."
=O

idk i dont really see any cheating in my hs. but i've heard about it quite often

beatlesguy1234

I also don't usually cheat, so when people were wondering how I got such high subject test scores without studying, I was like "uhh, i do my homework." And they were like, "No way! How does that increase your test scores?" So iono. Just do what you can handle so you don't have to cheat.

Narcissa

they wonder how u get high scores without cheating? wow...that's some rampant cheating going on at ur school.

zarathustra

I love it when people try to rationalize their decision not to cheat with empty declarations of bad Karma for the guilty parties. "It will only hurt them in the long run" is a moral cop out--cheating isn't wrong because cheaters can get caught or because they may fail in other ventures in life later on--cheating is wrong because it is by its very definition dishonest. If you choose not to cheat because you are afraid of getting caught or you fear karmic retribution, you are as morally feeble as the person who cheated (just more prudent). Sometimes doing the right thing i.e. not cheating, will be disadvantageous to you. Sometimes it will hurt you severly in the long run. Sometimes it won't. The outcome is immaterial in the implicit morality of the act itself; one should be moral because, for lack of a better description, it is the right thing to do. In life, the most moral decisions are often the simplest, but rarely the easiest. Remember that when you decide whether or not to cheat; there is no substitute for your integrity. All the riches in the world cannot purchase it and all of the success in life cannot mask it.

aisgzdavinci

what I'm getting from this thread is cheat if necessary.

somead896

I remember in Spanish class freshmen year I had with a bunch of juniors, and seniors. Lets just say the whole class got above a C.