smart.cookie

LOL much thanks
How did I do? (we will see...)

nukchebi0

Very well, it seems. Much more useful than quote marks or arrows.

Poseur

When did I make any judgment as to your intelligence? I'm glad you're "the best," though -- so modest, too!

I know these people and I consider them intelligent based my interaction with them and on their achievements: the ways they have distinguished themselves based on their own merit (debate tournaments, math competitions, etc.) Yes, they make poor (and immoral, by almost any standards) decisions. Yes, cheating is an unintelligent decision. But I know them well and I still think that these people are smart. You can disagree with me if you want.

nukchebi0

Empirically, I did the best.

And I was comparing your assessment of them to my test scores and competition stuff. I did very well on the SAT; so did they. Your perception of their intelligence is that they are just as or more so intelligent than myself, in my perception of myself. Grading intelligence is a subjective matter, obviously.

And I never said I disagree with you. I only am saying their intellect may be brought into question by their pathetic lack of honesty.

Poseur

The thread topic was "the smartest person in your school." Doubtless, if you were at my school, I would have included you. :]

nukchebi0

I probably wouldn't have made enough of an impression, since I am so socially reserved. Also, I probably wouldn't have had the best test scores at a school as big as yours. But thanks anyways (and especially for keeping this civil better than I did.)

Poseur

Naw, I'm sure you'd be noticeable. Our class is only 333 students and those of us in the top 10% or so all know each other. (And you've got a 2350, right? That'd put you fourth in terms of scores, and believe me -- everyone who keeps track of those things would know it. )

I admire your honesty... and the value you put in honesty. I guess the reason I (and others in that SAT thread) argue with you about it is that we consider you idealistic -- most of us have accepted that people cheat and we are rather jaded by it. At first I considered you judgmental, but now I don't think that you're any more so than the rest of us; you're just less willing to accept others' unjust behavior than we are. Obviously, that's not a negative trait.

nukchebi0

I see. It is the same at my school. Everyone in the top 10% is either friends or talks regularly. Test scores, as well get shared.

And, yes, I got a 2350. It put me first at my school for both our grade and the seniors this year, but I think that is a consequence of the smaller number of students we have (135 in our class). Our vals this year got 1980, 2130, 2230, and 2270, no retakes on any, I think, and the 2270 person is probably smarter than I am (definitely more articulate.) Everyone was impressed/annoyed at the score (out of jealousy, one would presume), but I was thinking it was only because it was first. Our school probably isn't as competitive as yours, so I thought my score, while great, was still fourth and wouldn't elicit the same response and recognition I got at my school.

As for the second part, that is a very accurate assessment of my mentality. You should be a psychologist.

Poseur

Oh, you are in a smaller school. Hmm... I dunno if my school is that competitive; this year's class is just freakish at SATs. I know what you mean about people's response to your score -- I got a 2390, randomly, in the beginning of the school year (November) and everyone was like "whaaat" and approaching me in the hallways and stuff. I guess before this year no one had really done that well. Since then, though, four others have gotten above 2300 (and that one girl got a 2400; alas, I'm no longer the best! But it wasn't her first time, so HA.)

It's funny what you said about the 2270 kid (I love how we're referring to people by SAT scores); the first person on my list got a 2280 the first time he took it and I'd describe him the same way as you described yours: probably smarter than I am, and definitely more articulate.

After all this talk: for the record, I don't consider SAT scores very representative of intelligence. They just happen to be a part of my academic description of people.

Really, the more I think about it, the more impossible it becomes to assess intelligence. There are just so many factors to be taken into account!

IluvA's

it was not until i met this person in my class until i found out what "smart" truly means. not only does she easily get A's and have a 99 percentile on the SSAT, but she is a great intellectual. she can discuss anything, from iran's nuclear program to jimi hendrix to winnie the pooh bear. she can theorize about realism and gossip about school scandals. she is well socially rounded as well. after meeting this person, scores don't impress me anymore. for me, cleverness has to play into their personality as well. after all, i used to go to a school where kids had the highest scores in the nation but were simply intellectually brain-dead.

LMU10

The smartest people at my school smoke pot. About half of the top 10 in every class smoke pot. It's so cool. I respect all of them. They have lives too. Their not like amazingly smart cause nobody at our school is. My school's pathetic

blueducky

i love how so many people believe that good grades correlate to intelligence!
total bull. people can be intelligent in so many ways.
that totally sucks for those who believe that some are just "smarter" than others because they have better grades!

i am one of those supposedly "smart" people because i get decent grades.. its a bit inaccurate.. i mean i'm not stupid, but hey, i'm not that special

i mean, one of the kids at our school is so widely read, but he doesn't really make clever judgments or anything else that really convinces me he's super intelligent. He's just nerdy and genuinely interested in knowledge. Oh yea, although all the teachers love him, he's arrogant as hell and nobody likes working with him.. it's too bad he's so knowledgeable

there's this other girl who sees connections between things, she's fast witted, clever, funny, popular... would she be considered more intelligent?

sarmango

Val is ridiculously nice and I couldn't imagine anyone more deserving. Had a prestigious internship... works really hard.

Sal is a back-stabbing cheater. I was soooo happy when she didn't get val. Pssh. Dropping AP courses when the going got tough and her GPA was in jeopardy...

But since they're not really in my school anymore... the ones in my grade? I don't know. Every teacher in my school has commented and said my class is the most competitive, academic grade they've seen in 20+ years. It's cutthroat and there appears to be the first 10-way tie (out of 200 kids!) for val in the history of my school. But I think one kid is out of the running because he got a 99 in gym. Nobody's a snob so I don't care who gets it. I guess the influx of kids from the local magnet school has definitely helped academics.

sarmango

May I add, the val at my friend's school nearby is freakin awesome though. He doesn't take s*** from anyone, and sees connections in things nobody else sees. He gets into these phases where everything just fits when he explains it. That's truly impressive. 2400/36/perfectperfectGPA/unbelievable ECs. I wish he would apply himself more! I swear he's high 24/7.

arachnophobia12

The smartest person at my "school" is me (granted, I'm "between" schools right now, so technically I'm the only student, but... )-I think I'm pretty durned cool. :/