quiverfox

Oh and I said 'trouble' sarcastically.chill out man. I just told you my opinion. and I respect yours too.

AdityaP

Hey hey hey. See, I've agreed with most of your other posts. But this is just completely off. You accuse quiverfox of generalizing or making uninformed comments and then blatantly go off and do the same.

"You don't know what it's like at Imperial." You don't know what it's like at MIT either.

"My counterparts back at MIT are still stuck on Biology 101, Chemistry 101, Physics 101, and how to "rigorously prove" the derivative of ln(x)." Are you crazy? Sure, they have their General Institute Requirements, but even they range in complexity.

Take the basic course in Mechanics for Example. It's 8.01, i think. Even in Mechanics, you have three different courses: 8.01L, which is for students who have no great knowledge of physics or mathematics, calculus in particular; 8.01, which is for a student who has studied calculus previously; 8.012, for a student who has extensive knowledge of calculus and physics. 8.012 is where they give you "Olympiad Level" problems.
Besides, it's not as if everyone at MIT even has to take 8.01 in their freshman year. And forget about just undergraduate-level courses, you can take graduate-level courses (which i presume are more complex than "rigorously prove(ing) the derivative of ln(x)") as an undergrad if you're capable.


"Do you know that every single year at Imperial, we have projects which most MIT undergrads don't even think about through their 4 years? First year is a 2ft x 1ft aluminum truss that can hold up a car without breaking. Second year is a wind turbine. Third year is a revolutionary aircraft concept. Fourth year is research in industry for 2 months."
This is nonsense. If you pass the necessary exams, you could take part in the UROP (Undergraduate Research Opportunites) as early as the fall of freshman year. MIT UROP: Basic Information - What is UROP?

UROP, unlike your "revolutionary" pre-decided projects, allows you to do research on the frontiers of science as an undergraduate. Your ability to do research at MIT is unfettered. Look at some of the project openings: MIT UROP: Current Research - Project Openings
The projects you talk about aren't that great at all.

I know you were a qualified candidate, and probably deserved more than you got. But there's no point trying to act offended. It initially seemed like your opinion was unbiased and you were, in a sense, helping people. Now, you just seem like a kid who can't seem to get over some rejections. If you are as happy as you state you are at Imperial College, you wouldn't be "bleating on and on" about how MIT is this soulless institution filled with unqualified American students. If you really believed what you are writing, you wouldn't apply to the institution in the first place.

"Good day to you, sir."

dasadhikarik

FYI, we have UROP too. Do your research before you post. And do you have any idea what UROP is? It's basically where you get to act as secretaries for your profs. Just in Aeronautics here, we have research in CFD, Composites, and all that candy.

I don't care MIT rejected me. I DO care, however, that there can be other people who are so delusional as to treat MIT as their one and only goal in life. Read some of the posts here, and you will see what I mean. There are people all across the board who are saying, "I can only apply to MIT because I will demean myself if I don't". There are people who are actually REFUSING to apply to other schools. And WHY? They won't even admit that they're in it for the prestige. They're talking all sorts of nonsense about research opportunities (which you can get anywhere), and the "spirit" of the place. So, what am I saying? Get your heads out of the sand (or out of some other place where the Sun never shines). If pointing out the faults of MIT is the best way for me to get you people to do that, then I'm going to do it for as long as I need to. MIT is NOT heaven on Earth for Indians, as all of you make it out to be. The fact that they are going to reject 394/400 of you proves that.

quiverfox

Dude, I am so sorry, you are totally going off an aircraft hangar.you said and I paraphrase-""I can only apply to MIT because I will demean myself if I don't". There are people who are actually REFUSING to apply to other schools. And WHY? They won't even admit that they're in it for the prestige."
1.I just said I was really passionate about the college.
2.I never said I wont be applying elsewhere. In fact I am applying to 7 other amazing colleges too.
3.ALL PEOPLE DON'T APPLY FOR OR BECAUSE OF PRESTIGE! and I can give u a first hand account on that.
4.what about the 6/400?
5.If the sun doesn't shine at your place, bad luck, cause it shines brightly here !

and thanks adityaP!

quiverfox

I understand that you are trying to help and appreciate it, but I just find it an amazing college. tHAT IS ALL.

dasadhikarik

Well, I'm not necessarily directing all of this against you, am I? Not all of this is relevant to you, but just know that I seriously disagree with your assessment. I do not know who you are or what you are like, and no one can know that over the Internet, so I'm going to refrain from passing judgment. I DO know that the VAST majority of Indian applicants, even those with the ability to apply to MIT, are NOT as wrapped up in research and what-not as they claim they are. I KNOW this. And America knows this as well. They know about international students (particularly Indians and Chinese) punching up their image to try and stand a chance at American colleges. Don't you think that hurts ALL Indian applicants?

Bottom line: MIT is nowhere near what you imagine it to be. It is merely another school. And please don't go down the same line as your good friend AdityaP, who seems to have developed a passion of stalking my posts on CC, and accuse me of being angry at MIT, just because I was rejected, and questioning why I applied there in the first place. When I applied, I really didn't care where I got in. Why? Because by and large, it does NOT matter. If I didn't get into MIT, I'd be happy at any of the schools I got into. It's not the rejection that annoys me. It is the complete opacity of the process, and the hard-headedness and deliberate lies that the admissions team tells in order to placate an ever-growing international applicant pool. I see people here stressed out because there interview was waived. I now know that I should have HOPED that MY interview had been waived. You know why? I got an interviewer (the only one in all of Japan), who I doubt could even remember most of his time at MIT (40 years ago), and whose concluding statement was, 'Well, you SEEM to have the maturity to go to MIT. But please remember that they haven't taken anyone from Japan for years." WOW. WOW. WOW. The two good things I have to say for that guy is he spared me the cost of having to travel from Osaka to Tokyo, which would have taken one whole day and the equivalent of 15,000 rupees, and he gave me a pretty good idea of how the college admissions process folds out within. This is the way you handle admissions processes? Maybe you just don't care? After all, what's 1 applicant to you in a pool of 1,000s? At least Princeton and Cornell both bothered to do face-to-face interviews and treat me to one morning's worth of orange juice... (and this isn't a one-time event either; two years ago, a Bangladeshi guy applied from my school, and the interviewer didn't even BOTHER responding, hmmm, makes me wonder if they've already predetermined their acceptance pool?) Try and refute this, if you can.

What about the 6/400? Why are you so worried about the 6/400? Mind your own business. You don't have to hero-worship them or anything. They're just people who were at the right place at the right time.

Oh, and you totally did NOT get my sun does not shine jab. It has nothing to do with the Sun shining or not shining, it's more a reference to a biological orifice. And I prefer cloudy weather anyway, so London's nothing bad for me at all. Much rather be here for now, than a country facing destruction by taxation in a few months.

AdityaP

Passion of stalking your posts? Lol. You've got to be kidding me. I can't help it if you hijack every 'chance me' post on the Indian thread harping on how the Ivies and MIT deceive internationals. Actually, YOU seem to have developed some sort of passion for bashing almost every University.

Look, I don't mean to be rude. I have nothing for you, and nothing against you.

But just read what you've written with an open mind and tell me it doesn't seem like you have an obvious bias against MIT.
"My counterparts back at MIT are still stuck on Biology 101, Chemistry 101, Physics 101, and how to "rigorously prove" the derivative of ln(x)."

Read your last post and tell me it doesn't seem like you're venting about your perceived injustice. "I now know that I should have HOPED that MY interview had been waived. You know why? I got an interviewer (the only one in all of Japan), who I doubt could even remember most of his time at MIT (40 years ago), and whose concluding statement was, 'Well, you SEEM to have the maturity to go to MIT. But please remember that they haven't taken anyone from Japan for years." WOW. WOW. WOW. "

"It is the complete opacity of the process, and the hard-headedness and deliberate lies that the admissions team tells in order to placate an ever-growing international applicant pool." Nobody promised anyone anything. International Admission to MIT has always been cutthroat and extremely competitive, and MIT has always maintained that stance.

You can argue that most Indians who have gotten in to MIT have some sort of International Olympiad medal. But that doesn't mean MIT "requires" every international student to posses a medal. So, it's unrealistic to expect MIT to explicitly post something saying, "If you don't have a medal, don't even bother applying."

You also can't make generalizations like Indians apply to MIT only because of its prestige'
or something like that. Okay, there will be someone applying to MIT because it has a global image, but you know that these applicants haven't done their homework if they're only applying to MIT.

Acceptances and rejections to most 'prestigious' Universities seem somewhat random or arbitrary. Sometimes the dice rolls your way; sometimes it doesn't.

Now let's just leave it that and end this conversation.