Jigglypuff

I'm a DA and in Hutton Honors. I want to apply to be in the Business Honors program. I'm a finance major and interested in the Investment Banking workshop. I'm also pre-law and will end up with the International Business co-major. I came to IU with nineteen credits. AP tests gave me credit for: ENG-W131, ECON-E201, ECON-E202, ENG-L198, HIST-H105 HIST-H106, and PSY-P101.

This semester, I'm in:
BUS-A100 Basic Accounting Skills
BUS-K204 Computers in Business--Honors
BUS-X106 Business Presentations--Honors
EALC-C101 Elementary Chinese I
MATH-M118 Finite Math
BUS-X255 Topics in Business (a one credit out, eight week course and required since I'm in the Kelley Living Community)

I expect to receive all As this semester with the exception of a B in Chinese. I want to minor in Chinese and Spanish.

Next semester I'm thinking of taking:
BUS-P255 Business in a "Flat" World (an three credit hour, eight week course)
BUS-X255 Topics in Business (a one credit out, eight week course and required because I'm in the KelleyLLC)
HISP-S280 Spanish Grammar in Context(by taking this, I'll receive eleven credits for classes HISP-S105, 200, 250 and three credits for 280 itself)
EALC-C102 Elementary Chinese II
BUS-X202 Technology--Honors

Which of these two should I take ECON-S370 or BUS-A205 next semester? I know my spring semester schedule may seem full enough, but I definitely want to get either ECON-S370 or BUS-A205 out of the way before sophomore year.

When should I take the classes that Hutton requires to receive their notation?

I'm on Judicial Board, the vice-president of McNutt Honors Council, and on Labyrinth (IU's art/literary magazine).

I took calculus in high school, and I did fine in the class. Due to extraneous circumstances, though, I did not score highly enough on the AP test to pass out. I heard M211 is easier if you already took it in high school because the material is taught in the same order as high school calculus, like you start with derivatives. I heard that M119 begins with the word problems, like CeRT.

I think I'll retake calculus at my community college (College of Lake County) over the summer if I can. One of the classes would transfer over to IU as M211 and worth five credits. Another option is to take a class at the community college that transfers to IU as M212 (this is honors, right?) but only worth four credits. Which should I do? I'm very confident that I will do well in calculus, especially considering I already went through it and excelled.

maxellis

If you got an A in A100, then you would probably get an A in A205, so that is what I recommend. You would probably get an A in S370 too, but from what you've said I get the feeling you are more likely to get an A in A205 than S370.

Also, M212 is Calc II. If you want a math minor, take M212, but if not I would go for the easier extra credit and.

bthomp1

Definitely take A205 this semester. Have it on your enrollment cart and be ready to register exactly at your assigned time; otherwise, you might not get into A205. You have a lot of credits already in 19, but that will probably be borderline this year to get into A205, as my son had 13 last year and ended up second on the waitlist. It is a sought after class, and once registered, nobody seems to drop it. Each year Kelley draws more kids with more APs, so nineteen credits this year could be hit or miss. And since you are thinking investment banking workshop, a good strategy is to get A205 and A207 out of the way by the end of fall semester of sophomore year, so that you can take A311 Intermediate Accounting I and maybe A325 Cost Accounting spring semester of your sophomore year. Having taken these two classes and getting good grades in them will show the IBW people that you are ambitious and taking classes at a much faster pace than the huge majority of Kelley direct admits. Take A205 this semester, as it is only offered in the spring; if you take it next year in the spring, you won't be able to take the upper level accountings before applying to IBW. I know this Kelley student took A311 and A325 spring semester of sophomore year (per his blog) and got into IBW this year, and didn't even have a very high gpa. Craig Horton

You can save E370 for a later semester.

Jigglypuff

I just registered today!

BUS-X255 Topics in Business
HISP-S280 Spanish Grammar in Context
EALC-C102 Elementary Chinese II
BUS-X202 Technology--Honors
BUS-A205 Introduction to Financial Accounting--Honors
BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives

and I'll apply to get into P255!

I have classes at eight am Monday through Thursday, but I'll deal.

What else should I be thinking about right now in terms of extracurriculars/ workshops and stuff? What classes do you think I should take next fall?

bthomp1

If one of your goal's is ibw, regarding it, I think next year you should do

Fall- A207 honors managerial accounting
Spring - A311 intermediate accounting; and A325 cost accounting

Having the two upper level accounting classes and doing well in them will look good to the selectors, and they help meet finance degree requirements.

In addition to those three classes, you have to do five more I-Core prerequisites to be able to get into honors I-Core with your business honors cohort in Fall 2010:

BUS-X 204
MATH-M 119
BUS-G 202
ECON-E 370
BUS-L 201

You also have to eventually do five more distribution option classes: one in each of the three areas and two 300-level classes in one of the areas.

So that is 23 credits that you need next year to get the double goal of Kelley honors and IBW, without doing an gen ed classes. This doesn't leave much room for the 15 hours of gen ed that you will eventually need and all the foreign language classes you plan to take for minors in Chinese and Spanish. This would include at least one 200-level and two 300-level Spanish classes beyond S280 and I am guessing at least four more four credit Chinese classes. I think the foreign languages will look great to Kelley honors and especially to the IBW, but it seems like it would be hard to work these into a four year schedule. For minors you will need three more Spanish classes and four more Chinese classes-- 25 credit hours-- none of which apply to the distribution option.

So with remaining I-Core prerequisites (17), two upper level accounting classes to help with your IBW application (6), remaining distribution option (15), and foreign language classes for the two minors (25), you need 63 credit hours, or two years worth of college, in addition to the credit hours needed for these areas:-- I-Core, IBW, finance major requirements, and international business major requirements.

I don't see how you can work all these hours in without a lot of summer school. And besides not being applicable to the distribution option, none of your upper level Spanish classes and probably none of the Chinese classes can be taken in the summer at a cc and transferred to IU, as cc's tend to not offer 300-level Spanish or Chinese at all.

Are you planning to take a lot of summer classes, or to go more than four years? You have a really ambitious plan. You are already taking a heavy course load this semester at 17 hours; if you add another class, you might add an I-Core prerequisite that can't be taken in the summer somewhere.

Jigglypuff

I'm doing the specialization option (Global Studies and Languages) which requires that of the 27 credits, at least 6 hours must be at the upper level 300/400. So my foreign language classes are helping my gen ed. By the end of this year, I'll have 21 credit hours toward that. These go toward my international dimension, as well, since for that I need 6 credits at the 200-level or above.

bthomp1

Oh, I see.

Are you sure that you can combine the Spanish and Portuguese and East Asian Languages and Culture credits to make the 27 hours? (You said you would have 21 credits toward the field specialization, and I assume that would be 8 EALC credits + 13 Spanish credits [three credits for passing S280 and getting credit for ten other Spanish credits])? Or do you have to have 27 in only one field specialization area. The Kelley bulletin seems to say the 27 credits have to be in one field specialization area, but I guess it could depend on how they interpret it. If you can't combine them, then getting both minors and meeting the 27 credits for the field specialization in one language/culture area only would mean you would have to take about 35 hours (23 EALC [since you have credit for first semester Chinese] and 12 in Spanish), which seems like a lot to do in four years on top of your Kelley requirements, unless you take language courses at IU in the summer.

Yeah, you will finish the international dimension by taking S280, which is a good deal.

Jigglypuff

I'm meeting with my advisor right after Thanksgiving break. I'll be sure to ask her about the field specialization requirements. On a sheet I got during orientation about the 27 hour core, it says, "Under [Field Specialization Option], you select one of the five following fields in which to complete 27 credit hours; except for the noted restriction, you may choose any corse offered by the departments listed in your field. As with the Distribution Option, at least 6 of the 27 credit hours must be at the upper level.

Under Global Studies & Languages (GSL), both East Asian Languages and Cultures and Spanish and Portuguese are departments listed, so I assumed I could combine them. I'll definitely clarify that, though. Thank you for pointing that out.

If I am a finance major, does it matter if I take A310 v A311 and A324 v A325? How do I choose?

bthomp1

I think that-- because of substitutions-- you can get the finance degree with slightly fewer credits taking A311 and A325 rather than A310 and A324, even though A324 is only a 1.5 credit class. I know the substitutions allow accounting majors to double-major in finance by taking only six credits beyond the accounting major minimum requirements. The requirements can be confusing, though.
Kelley School of Business Undergraduate 2008-2010 Online Bulletin: Bachelor of Science in Business
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Finance Major Requirements: A310, A324, F303, F305, one of A327, A329, or A422, and twelve elective credits (six at the 400-level) from F307, F317, F335, F390, F402, F408, F420, F421, F446, F470, F494, and G345.

Permitted Substitutions:

* A311 and A312 (combined) may substitute for A310 and 3.0 credit hours of a 400-level finance elective. Credit is given for only one of A310 or (A311 and/or A312).
* A325 may substitute for A324 and one of A327, A329, or A422.
* ECON-E 305 may substitute for BUS-G 345.
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You can find the resumes of people who got into the investment banking workshop this year on these pages to see the kinds of internships and EC's that they have.

The Investment Banking Network at Indiana University: View Members

http://www.kelley.iu.edu/ibn/Members...2012&affType=5

I'm pretty sure you can't combine different languages/cultures areas for the field specialization option as, for instance, having 14 credits in French lang/culture and 13 in German lang/culture wouldn't be as "specialized" as having all 27 credits in one of the lang/cultures.