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International Student looking for full ride

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Replies to: International Student looking for full ride

  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 29,759 Senior Member
    SCEA/REA at a college that NEED BLIND/MEET FULL NEED FOR INTERNATIONALS.
    That means Princeton or Yale, basically - Stanford is need-aware.
    With that, you CAN apply to public universities with merit scholarships - do that too.
  • b@r!umb@r!um Registered User Posts: 10,121 Senior Member
    I haven't seen any evidence that applying ED/SCEA increases chances of admission for a generic applicant at the tippy top universities.

    Sure, the nominal admission rates may be higher, but the pool is also rather different from the RD pool. You've got the recruited athletes, the legacies with a history of donations to the university, 'celebrity' applicants (e.g. the children of heads of state), prodigies with pre-existing ties to the university (e.g. I have met high school students who were taking graduate-level courses at a university and applied with letters of recommendation from the faculty there), etc.

    Are any of you aware of evidence that applying early increases the chances of a generic applicant?

    That said, I wouldn't apply ED in the hopes that it would increase my chances. I'd rather get a bunch of EA decisions early and be in a position to compare financial aid offers.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 29,759 Senior Member
    ^ in the specific situation of an international who needs a lot of financial aid from a generous need blind meet need University that may only admit 2 students from his/her country, it may have tipped the balance a few times.
    I don't think anyone has conclusive evidence (since we can't double test and have the same student apply rea and rd to the same school) but overall, in the specific case above, with the student applying rea and getting into a highly selective university v. applying Rd to other highly selective universities, rea> Rd.
    Some highly selective universities discourage or forbid students with high financial need from applying early (Grinnell, Carleton, MIT).
  • gigichuckgigichuck Registered User Posts: 254 Junior Member
    So technically the SCEA route for Princeton is the best?
  • MinnesotaDadof3MinnesotaDadof3 Registered User Posts: 167 Junior Member
    @MYOS1634 : Could you please cite your source for the above ^ comment, or otherwise fully document your conclusion. I don't grasp how Grinnell or Carleton have admissions policies or rules that "discourage or forbid students with high financial need from applying early."
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 29,759 Senior Member
    edited July 17
    Because there's a limited budget for internationals (separate from Americans'), need-aware/meet need elite colleges* want to have the best way to allocate funds and for this they need to have an overview of all internationals applying. That's why they prefer RD or may offer EA applicants a financial aid package later on. To be blunt, if you have $200,000 for your international incoming class' financial aid, you can't afford to blow $100,000 on two top students in the ED round when you could have 3 equally top students in the RD round use that amount. However since top colleges are competing with the likes of Harvard for the internationally-top students, they've relented their policies.
    (BTW internationals are encouraged to apply earlier than the deadline.)
    Up until the 2016 cycle both Carleton and Grinnell explicitely requested that international students anticipating significant financial need apply in the RD round only. Traces of this have been erased from Grinnell's website but can still be found on Carleton's
    Carleton has always welcomed Early Decision applications from international students who are not requesting any financial assistance. We have traditionally asked students applying for international scholarships to use our Regular Decision option, to allow all applicants to be considered at one time for scholarship assistance.

    However, due to increased demand, Carleton will consider a few exceptionally qualified international scholarship applicants for Early Decision. (...) The majority of our international scholarships will be awarded via the Regular Decision process.

    * The situation isn't the same for need-blind/meet need colleges, of which there are 5: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, and Amherst. The budget there is not limited in the same way so that they can admit as many super needy applicants through the early round as they wish and be pretty certain these financial aid packages will be unmatched by other universities.
  • 41ADAN41ADAN Registered User Posts: 42 Junior Member
    edited July 18
    Sorry for taking a few days to post, I've been quite busy and forgot.

    I just got a message back from Loyola Marimount University, apparently there is, indeed, a full ride merit scholarship for which internationals can compete, for a reference on SAT scores, they pointed me towards the last class profile (http://admission.lmu.edu/apply/first-yearapplicants/freshmanclassprofile/) which indicates that a SAT score of 1340 would place you in the 75th percentile, which in turn means that aproximately 300 students have a SAT score of 1350 or more.

    I am currently trying to find out how many full ride scholarships they offer so I can add some better reference, but I suppose with your academic profile you should be able to get one without problems.

    By the way take University of Houston off the list, the Tier One Scholarship is not offered to internationals.

    Other interesting choices seem to be Duke University and Central Arkansas, I'm going to contact them next for information but their websites are pretty straightforward and it seems like they're both good options.
  • gigichuckgigichuck Registered User Posts: 254 Junior Member
    @41ADAN Thanks. Duke is on my list already. Their need based aid is pretty good. I'll see if I can find something on Central Arkansas too.
  • 41ADAN41ADAN Registered User Posts: 42 Junior Member
    edited July 20
    @gigichuck I just found out University of Chicago offers 100% need based financial aid to internationals. Unfortunately, it does not seem to have engineering programs.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 29,759 Senior Member
    ^ however it does have excellent CS programs in case that's of interest too.
  • gigichuckgigichuck Registered User Posts: 254 Junior Member
    @41ADAN @MYOS1634 I want to major in Electrical/Electronics and/or Computer Engineering/Science so yeah, I'm applying to Uchicago.

    I did check Central Arkansas and apparently they have full ride scholarships for intls and for those you need essays and SAT scores. I'll probably not apply, because they need my WAEC result, which comes out around this time of the year, and so won't be availabe come application season.

    Have you looked at Rice? I'd love to apply but they don't give waivers for anything.

  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 29,759 Senior Member
    Typically they mean predicted WAEC results (+ in July confirmation you got the diploma)
  • gigichuckgigichuck Registered User Posts: 254 Junior Member
    @MYOS1634 My school doesn't give out predicted scores till graduation >:) lol by that time results are out already. Plus, application fee showed no signs of being waived. I think I'll email them about it.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 29,759 Senior Member
    edited July 20
    Can't your school offer some prediction (understanding they're not binding) as to what level you're expected to reach? Surely there's a sense by December whether you'll barely scrape by or earn your diploma with flying colors?
    BTW near UCA there's Hendrix, which has one very big scholarship and several smaller ones and is a very very good college.
  • gigichuckgigichuck Registered User Posts: 254 Junior Member
    @MYOS1634 We usually take 6 MOCK exams before WAEC. We're in the middle of the third one, and the last is usually in February or March, depending. Anyway, they could probably make some prediction based on continuous assessment. Honestly though, my sister's predicted scores were horrible and her real result was stellar.

    Last time I checked out Hendrix I saw something like no aid for internationals. Must've been seeing double. I'll check it out.
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