shaker ali

I've been here in USA for almost tow years and i still didn't pas the Tofel Iwant to know if their is any college or University dosen't requierd any ToFel for International student

_brazilian_

harvard doesnt require the toefl for international applicants

shaker ali

really !! can you give me the website for that University?

andriuxs

brazilian ur not really helping =S I think shaker is asking for serious advice.

Shaker: Maybe you will need to start your studies at a community college, or there are some universities that offer ESL classes to the students who don't meet the language proficiency. You could look at SUNY, portland state universitiy.

frrrph

...and that is the story of how shaker ali ended up at Harvard.

Sorry, I'm not making fun of you, I just loved the fact you haven't heard about it and the perfect way you put it, the fact you don't speak English that well. It's not meant as a ditch, the whole exchange just ended up sounding very very funny

_brazilian_

andriuxs I agree with everything you said,ahahahahaha x)
its very funny that shake doesnt know harvard,xD
so,let me ask you something andriuxs,are you already studying in the U.S

shaker ali

well guys i know about Harverd but i am asking serious qeustion because i have a scholership and require me to enter the college so i can get the scholership

NoFX

"Caltech exempts the TOEFL International students who have studied in the United States for two or more years."
Johns Hopkins, Cornell - exempt if you score over 670 on the CR portion of SAT
Williams College, Middlebury, Stanford, (Harvard?), MIT - encouraged but not required
Amherst - exempt if 700+ CR.
Columbia + (i THINK Carnegie mellon)- exempt if 650+ CR
Brown - exempt if 600+ CR

shaker ali

what is CR?

b@r!um

The Critical Reading section of the SAT.

Pyrotechnic

A few low-tier colleges and a few top-tier colleges do not require TOEFL.

The former, you wouldn't love to be in them.

BTW, why aren't you taking the TOEFL ?

vavalooey

if your score in CR of SAT I is above 600, you dont need to take the toefl for some colleges. but if you want to get in ivies, it has to be above 700. just start researching shaker collegeboard.com should help you there

cameliasinensis

I'm an international student who did not submit (or even take) the TOEFL, but I've lived in the United States for six years, aced my high school English courses, and scored 800 on Critical Reading, 710 on Writing, and 750 on the Literature Subject Test. I didn't think it would be necessary or relevant.

b@r!um

I guess though that he won't be able to score 600+ on CR if he cannot even get a "passing" (usually 80+ on the iBT) TOEFL score. And most schools require more than two years of residency in the States before waiving the TOEFL requirement.

shaker ali, if you cannot get a passing grade on the TOEFL, are you sure you can handle college work which involves a lot of reading and a ton of writing (like a 5 page paper every week for just one class)? I agree with andriuxs that you should work on your English first by enrolling in an ESL (English as a Second Language) program at a cheap community college.

TheOneCurlyFry

I got 800 on CR too, but the UCs still wanted me to take the TOEFL, so I did (and got 114 / 120, eff the Speaking Section.)

I think you need to take the TOEFL to have a decent chance.