aquamarinee

Umm... CMC? Target school for west coast banking? Are you serious? You would think that they'd take HYP and all the other top 10-15 university students before they considered CMC...

Awped

lol CMC for banking? I don't think so...

PureAdvisory

awped, quit pretending like you know anything about banking. please shut the ***** up.

astonmartinDBS

PureAdvisory, you are the rudest and most worthless poster in the ibanking forum. When was the last time you said anything meaningful and not demeaning?

RML

CMC/Pomona better than Berkeley for IBanking???? LoL...

herrsque

RML, you are a state-school fool. CMC is several times more selective and elite than Berkeley, and the econ stuff they do there during undergrad is 10 times as rigorous as at Berk.

CMC places about 20 peeps a year into banking, which is like what, a tenth of the graduating class? Take that to your (budget-cut, state-school) Berk.

rhythm15

herrsque YOU are a fool. How are you qualified to talk about IB recruiting out of Berkeley? Do you go to Berkeley? Do you even work in IB?

As someone coming out of Cal and going to a BB, I can tell you that recruiting out of Cal kicks ass on the west coast. I don't remember seeing a single person in my training class from CMC, nor have I heard of any CMC students when I've talked to my friends about who they worked with. Look at the Berkeley Delta Sigma Pi and Alpha Kappa Psi websites and where their alumni are working/going - outstanding track record. It's not just them either...I know plenty of Cal students not in business fraternities who have absolutely crushed it in terms of recruiting (top BB's and elite boutiques).

You clearly know nothing about applying to investments banks from Berkeley.

kmzizzle

CMC is just not a big enough school. berk's DSP alone has as many ppl goin to BB's as all of CMC

herrsque

Dude, 1/20 of my schools' graduating class every single year goes to Haas (at least pre-haas). I know EXACTLY what i am talking about. Berkeley is crap because they mark crap, the profs dont care about you and give you as crappy marks as they possibly can, and the school in generally tries to screw with you as much as humanly possible.

That and the fact that Berkeley isn't exactly selective (you are in a decently top tier of your graduating class and you are in, no matter if your school is some joke or not). i dont' know of ANY ballers on wall st who are berk kids. CMC, on the other hand, had Kravis of KKR, possibly the biggest baller in the history of banking (and certainly the biggest donor to a liberal arts college, ever).

sometimes the inchoate rage of state-school kids is truly amusing. have fun with Cal budget cuts, bro.

herrsque

dude, and a tip: if you need to even BE in a biz frat to do banking, you are, by definition, a joke. have never seen someone pump lame pre-professional frats so hard; fail hard much?

i do not know of a single baller kid at stanford for banking who even bothered with that biz frat thing. but i guess thats the different between stanford and cal.

rhythm15

You know jack s***.

1) 1/20 of your high school class? I know a ****load more Cal students than you dumbass. I also know what the environment is like here much more intimately than you do. So you've talked to a few friends now and then and you think you know more than someone who's been here for several years? Get real. That's like saying to a Harvard senior, "Hey dumbass, I know more about Harvard because I have friends that go there."
2) You've never recruited out of Cal. I have. Again, you know NOTHING about the process here compared to people who have been here for several YEARS.
3) I've worked in the industry and will be going back after I graduate, and so are MANY of my friends. I'd say I'm a lot more qualified than you to speak of whether Berkeley is a target school.

Yes Kravis is an example of a fantastic banker, but there are tons of bankers coming out of random schools that have done well. ONE successful story does not make CMC a top target. On a probability basis, it is much easier to recruit out of Cal than CMC. We have people going to EVERY BB EVERY YEAR, both people in business frats and people who aren't. Almost every bank recruits from Berkeley, but not from CMC.

Honestly, if you've ever worked for a BB, you would know that Cal is much more represented than CMC.

herrsque

yeah of course it is more represented, Berkeley graduates like what, how many times the class at CMC? this is stupid beyond belief.

and i love some some random state-school kid is characterizing CMC is "coming out of random schools." man, the irony is rich. this is so hilarious it is truly genius. dude, you went to a state school. understand: you don't get to bash on schools better, more elite, and more selective than the one you went to.

this is like some guy at the farm college at Cornell paying in-state tuition bashing on Williams or Dartmouth. truly amusing.

this is like the precise reason the whole UC system is such a waste: it produces the most toolish, a**holish kids imaginable, thinking they are so legit when they aren't.

rhythm15

I don't even know where to begin. You think we're among the "most toolish, assholish kids imaginable"? What does that make you? You just assumed that everyone who goes to a public school is dumber and not as qualified. Guess all the banks like Goldman, Morgan, Credit Suisse, JPMorgan, UBS, Lazard, Blackstone, PWP, etc. don't know what the f*** they're doing because when they took all the unlegit public school kids. If it ever got out who the f*** you are, you can be sure I'm going to toss your resume out the window, as will every other Cal alum.

You just bash on other people w/o talking about your own qualifications. Why are you uniquely positioned to talk about what recruiting for top investment banks is like? You have obviously never even gone through the process. Go to wallstreetoasis and post EXACTLY what you wrote here. You're going to get slaughtered by all the people you think are so "legit."

I'm done with this thread. Feel free to tell me why you're so "legit," if you have what it takes to back it up.

herrsque

This cracks me up:

"Guess all the banks like Goldman, Morgan, Credit Suisse, JPMorgan, UBS, Lazard, Blackstone, PWP, etc. don't know what the f*** they're doing because when they took all the unlegit public school kids."

Dude, the majority of kids in banking are from private colleges... Look, I am not even gonna bother, cos obviously you've never actually met a lot of kids from legit schools. But I just wanted to point out how funny it is some kid from Berkeley is bashing on CMC for not being elite enough. Like, seriously? What next, is Penn State gonna bash on Penn? UMass-Amherst on Harvard? Rutgers on Princeton? Cal on Stanford?

THEAjay89

Ugh chill out everybody, they're both good schools. Admittedly UC-Berkeley has the better name brand not because its a better school necessarily but because its obviously significantly larger than CMC. It's REALLY hard to compare recruiting between an LAC and a school the size of UCB because let's face it, CMC graduates like 280 a year compared what, like 6500 a year from UCB? With a class size as small as CMC's, there are bound to be fluctuations from year to year regarding interest in a specific industry, as well as individual talent and ability to interview/land a job.

They're both completely different schools that provide different types of education so comparing them is stupid. You may knock on Cal's admissions standards but don't rip the school as a whole for that. They're a public institution that is there to be accessible to a lot of people and as a result, doesn't have the ability to be as selective as a CMC/Pomona/Williams/Amherst etc. Sure, because of this, I think you could say that the percentage of kids graduating from CMC and going to a top firm may be higher than at Cal but I truly believe that the bright, motivated kids at Cal will have the same opportunities as someone from CMC from a career perspective.

Personally, CMC is a better fit for me as I wanted the liberal arts education so I came here but not everyone wants that and as a result will go to a more typical school like Cal.

Please, be civil, they're both great.