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Average GPA of JHU Students

Professor101Professor101 Posts: 640Registered User Member
edited June 2009 in Johns Hopkins University
What is the average GPA of JHU students? I searched the forums and seem not be able to find a satisfactory answer. The National Trends in Grade Inflation, American Colleges and Universities site shows JHU average GPA as:

2005 3.23

2006 3.24

which are lower than school like Harvard which has a GPA around 3.4-3.5.
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  • roberthhidroberthhid Posts: 356Registered User Member
    3.23 is about right. However, last fall 26.7% of Krieger students had a 3.5 or better. I bet engineering students have a tougher time. Grade inflation a national trend - News & Features
    Go to Harvard, Haverford or especially Brown for easier "A"s
  • YanksDolphinsYanksDolphins Posts: 1,038Registered User Senior Member
    From Hopkins: Greek Grade Information, Fall 2008
    It has not yet been updated to include Spring 2009 (and as you can observe, spring grades tend to be a little higher).
  • Professor101Professor101 Posts: 640Registered User Member
    ^Thanks for the link. I wonder why the average GPA at JHU is lower than its peer schools. The lower GPA puts the students at JHU at a disadvantage if they decide to apply for graduate schools or professional schools.
  • phuloridianphuloridian Posts: 192Registered User Junior Member
    ^ it is a lower GPA, yes, but the value of it being from Johns Hopkins makes it better in a way. Johns Hopkins is known for not inflating grades which in turn makes a 3.0 look better than a 3.0 from another school which isn't known for the same practices as JHU. the rigor and dedication which a B from Hopkins would require is quite high.

    you can research about grade inflation on various sources on the net or even here on collegeconfidential.com :] it's pretty interesting stuff.
  • YanksDolphinsYanksDolphins Posts: 1,038Registered User Senior Member
    phuloridian is exactly right. But if you think about it, a 3.20 isn't as low as you think. It means that the average grade is between a B and a B+, being closer to a B+. If you want a school where the average grade is an A-, then you want grade inflation and Hopkins isn't for you.
  • Professor101Professor101 Posts: 640Registered User Member
    it is a lower GPA, yes, but the value of it being from Johns Hopkins makes it better in a way. Johns Hopkins is known for not inflating grades which in turn makes a 3.0 look better than a 3.0 from another school which isn't known for the same practices as JHU. the rigor and dedication which a B from Hopkins would require is quite high.
    My concern is that not enough people know the rigor of JHU and they may just treat it as another top school which usually has an avergage GPA between 3.4-3.6.
    Here are some of the schools:
    Stanford: 3.55 (2005)
    Dartmouth: 3.42 (2007)
    Duke: 3.44 (2007)
    Yale: 3.51 (2008)
    Harvard: 3.45 (2005)
    Rice: 3.3 (2001)

    Maybe the lower GPA at JHU gives it the "cut-throat" reputation (or myth).
  • phuloridianphuloridian Posts: 192Registered User Junior Member
    actually no. from what i know and what i've heard, the people who actually matter after college, graduate schools, employers, etc. know the reputation of hopkins. it is ranked as one of the top 20.
    it also depends on who the "people" that you're talking about are.
    i do know that it's medically renowned because it is one of the best hospitals in the nation.
    the school seriously does have a reputation, it's not as widely known as a "brand name" college, you could say that in a sense, as the top 5, HPYSM, as a household name, but it's pretty well known with doctors and other people.
    if you ask your doctor or someone you that you think should know about it and they most probably will.
  • Professor101Professor101 Posts: 640Registered User Member
    ^^JHU is pretty well known and there is no question about it. Its low GPA, however, will definitely hurt its students if they decide to apply for graduate school. For example, if a graduate admission committee look at two applications, one from Stanford with a 3.55, the other from JHU with 3.23, What impression will they get? Obviously, the Stanford guy is going to look better. In reality both are average GPA in their respective schools.

    Conclusion: JHU professors need to raise their grades.

    Maybe AdmissionsDaniel should advocate this in JHU on behalf of the students.
  • YanksDolphinsYanksDolphins Posts: 1,038Registered User Senior Member
    I disagree. Then you end up with grade inflation and that is indicative of nothing. When I get an A in a class, I want that A to mean something, and not get an A simply because I was marginally better than average.
  • AdmissionsDanielAdmissionsDaniel Posts: 2,788College Rep Senior Member
    The lower GPA puts the students at JHU at a disadvantage if they decide to apply for graduate schools or professional schools.

    No it doesn't.
    Conclusion: JHU professors need to raise their grades.

    No they don't.
    Maybe AdmissionsDaniel should advocate this in JHU on behalf of the students.

    No I won't.

    In my time at Hopkins I have witnessed five classes of graduating seniors and I can attest their post-graduate success rates are comparable with all the top institutions in the country. I have witnessed our graduating seniors get into the best medical schools, the best law schools, the best business schools, the best graduate programs, the best combined masters/PhD programs in the country and the world. Our Career Center has documeted the success of our graduates and the reports are absolutely comparable with schools that have higher average GPAs and what some might say better reputations.

    Grading at Hopkins is quite fair. There is no grade inflation and there is no grade deflation. Students earn their grades.

    More importantly, if you really think the average GPA of an institution is the sole variable in whether those undergraduates will be successful post-graduation you really don't understand who admission to medical / law / graduate (etc.) school works.
  • Professor101Professor101 Posts: 640Registered User Member
    Our Career Center has documeted the success of our graduates and the reports are absolutely comparable with schools that have higher average GPAs and what some might say better reputations.
    This chart shows otherwise.
    http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf

    WRT grade inflation, everyone is doing it. Why not JHU? When a floold is coming, eveyone runs toward the high ground and the one who stands still will get drowned.
  • YanksDolphinsYanksDolphins Posts: 1,038Registered User Senior Member
    That says absolutely nothing other than not all Hopkins grads go immediately into grad school. Grade inflation is terrible as it doesn't actually indicate anything and will hurt you. Let's say I really suck at real analysis (not to be cocky, but I don't) but the professor still gives me an A. I apply to grad school, get in, and start taking my grad courses in measure theory, PDE,... But I suck at analysis so I have no chance of doing well. Then what?

    Grade inflation does nothing to distinguish students. If everyone is getting an A, then either everyone is a genius or everyone appears exactly the same. Then what?

    If you don't think Hopkins will help you get anywhere, then don't go.
  • Professor101Professor101 Posts: 640Registered User Member
    If you don't think Hopkins will help you get anywhere, then don't go.

    I am not making an arguement for myself. I am trying to have JHU change their grade policy so that every JHU student will benefit. Almost every school is following the grade inflation tide, JHU is arrogant for not to follow the trend and it ends up hurting the students.
  • YanksDolphinsYanksDolphins Posts: 1,038Registered User Senior Member
    No they're not arrogant, they just see that A's should not be given out just because people want them.

    The one thing I will say is, I wish Hopkins would actually weight A+'s to counterbalance A-'s.
  • HooHoo Posts: 510Registered User Member
    "More importantly, if you really think the average GPA of an institution is the sole variable in whether those undergraduates will be successful post-graduation you really don't understand who admission to medical / law / graduate (etc.) school works."

    Graduate schools are often rankings hungry...US news business/law/medical rankings incorporate average GPA into the rankings. It doesn't matter if a student went to JHU or Iowa...schools prefer to not pull down rankings with low stats, even if they are understandable due to grade deflation. I think the tone of that post was unnecessarily arrogant and dismissive of criticism of JHU. Maybe you are the one who doesn't understand how grad schools admissions work?
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