believersmom

And, while this may surprise you, sh60614, I think people SHOULD go to the two HawkTalk links you posted as it is a great and intelligent debate among intelligent Miamians.

I do think it is funny however, given your arguable dislike(my perspective, that is the impression you give) of Miami, how you are spending so much time on Miami sites. But then again, you ARE trying to save people from the cult.

fminze

Well said Binx. Obviously sh60614 has a major axe to grind with Miami. God knows why. Someone must pee in his/her cheerios every morning. Here are a few points sh60614 conveniently forgot to discuss. First, while OSU has become more selective (and I applaud OSU for improving their selectivity), they leave the back door wide open. Go to community college or an OSU branch for a quarter or two, and transfer into OSU with a 2.5 GPA. Doesn't sound excessively selective to me. This is openly discussed right there on the OSU College Confidential discussion page. Secondly, it is quite hypocritical for sh60614 to describe the Miami student body as a 'cult'. In fact, the arrogant reputation of the 'Buckeye Nation' is one of the reasons I did not consider attending OSU! After graduating from Miami, I spent several years living in Columbus. I found that walking around wearing a Miami t-shirt anywhere within several miles of the OSU campus drew ugly stares and the occasional jeer. Either you were an OSU fan or your opinion didn't matter. I didn't notice such an extreme response to other schools at Miami. (At least not when I was there.) OSU is notorious for their bad behavior while hosting other schools at sporting events. Just ask any visitor from Michigan. OSU is more guilty of group-think and bad behavior disguised as school spirit than ANY other school I can think of. I now live in Chicago. Mention Ohio State here, and you will find many people roll there eyes and sarcastically add something along the lines of 'don't you mean THE Ohio State University. Those people are strange'. Lastly, it is well documented that Miami has the highest graduation rate of all public universities in Ohio - including OSU. In fact, Miami's graduation rate is among the highest of all public universities nationwide. The fact that Miami students perform well above expectations is a strong indicator of the success of Miami's focus on undergraduate education. As discussed ad nauseum, every prospective student must find the right fit. Miami students are VERY social, ambitious, and occasionally aggressive - and there is nothing inherently wrong with this. However, someone who is shy or with a lack of self-confidence will likely be intimidated by Miami. My (very intelligent) sister fit this description. She chose to attend Bowling Green and was very happy there. Personally, I found Miami to offer a fantastic learning environment. I was surrounded by very bright people who took their education seriously but maintained a healthy study/play balance. I have made numerous life-long friends at Miami. Prospective employers love Miami graduates - they graduate prepared. Regardless of where you decide to attend, the college experience is what you make of it. I know of people who attended Ivy League schools and adopted an attitude that made their college experiences miserable. I wish all of you the best of luck in your college search.

sh60614

I'm back only to clear up more nonsense. Do you people even look into the facts before posting? That's why I call it a cult; because the people at Miami live in this isolated, smug bubble of self-reinforcing stereotypes and misinformation that the real world seems unable to penetrate.

First off, the transfer compact between Ohio community colleges and Ohio's public four-year universities is system wide. It applies to Miami every bit as much as to Ohio State.

Second, regarding branch campuses, Miami's branch campuses are open admissions serving the exact same role as Ohio State's.

Third, in five years at Ohio State, I never saw anyone have a problem for wearing a Michigan sweatshirt on campus much less one from Miami. As for our gameday problems, they are real. When you have 50,000 rednecks from all over the state standing across the street from the stadium drinking all day you're going to have problems. It's a long and tortured stretch, however, to link those people and actions to the students and alumni of the university. But I guess when that's all one has, run with it.

Fourth, given the go-get-'em Miami student that you've described, isn't it ironic that, in ten year period studied, Ohio State undergraduate alumni were the ones more likely to eventually earn a Ph.D (2.7% to 2.6%)? Funny how the facts sometimes don't fit with the dearly held notions of superiority.

Fifth, mix in a paragraph occasionally.

As for the low regard that Ohio State is allegedly held in by Chicagoans, I'd take your opinions with a grain of salt. A quick look of our alumni lists show the following CEOs of prominent corporations, law firms, advertising firms and cultural institutions, and these are only the ones that have made it onto wikipedia. Yea, this guy is right, Buckeyes. Stay away from Chicago, we're unwelcome there. LOL though at the smug certainty with which the nonsense was posted.

Current CEO and Executive Partner of Grant Thornton (Big 5 accounting firm)
Former president of Navistar; current Governor of the Chicago Stock Exchange
Managing Partner of Sydley Austin (major international law firm headquartered in Chicago)
Pulitzer Prize winning cultural columnist for the Tribune
CEO of the Shedd Aquarium
Former President of Leo Burnett
2 Former CEOs of AMOCO
Former CEO of Sear & Robuck and namesake of DePaul's business school

If there's an equal list of Miami alumni in Chicago, I eagerly await its posting.

fminze

Like I asked before sh60614, who pees in your cheerios every morning? I am completely perplexed why a Bucknut like you even cares about Miami? Most Ohio State students and alumni could care less about Miami - and therefore mind there own business. Do you see Miami students and alumni openly bashing Ohio State on your pages of College Confidential. No. Perhaps because we have the class to let prospective students make their own decisions as to whether Miami is the correct fit for them. You dislike Miami and chose to attend Ohio State. Good for you. However, it is not acceptable for anyone to hide behind the cowardice of anonymity to bash other schools on their pages, Miami or otherwise; especially when we have not instigated you to do so. Your strange obsession with and animosity toward Miami is confounding. Are you that insecure? Given your open bashing, do you really think your fellow Ohio State students would be proud to consider you a worthy spokesperson for Ohio State? I think not. Are you that full of yourself to think you are the sole, rightful spokesperson for Ohio State, omnipotent regarding Miami, and completely entitled to attack us on our own board? You have never had the guts on this page to reveal what has prompted your rants here. Students and alumni from other schools have always been welcome to post here, and to do so respectfully, but you've clearly exceeded your welcome. I certainly hope you don't spread such unsolicited negativity in the rest of your other daily interactions. Have a nice life. Good riddance, and good luck.

mistermurph18

sh60614, all i have to say is..... get a life

debrockman

My son and I visited MOH today. He came back with lots of shirts and a very positive respect for MOH. The fact that the campus was not openly hostile to Christians was also a positive. Does that make us snobs? I hope not. Personally, I think tolerance ought to even extend to Christians. Is he a kid who could get in most places? Yes. He is a grade accelerated, NM Scholar finalist, tons of AP classes, 4.+ GPA. He's also a kid who does missions work, holds a job, doesn't smoke, drink, curse or have tattoos. People need to wake up in this country. Being an angry, anti-Christian liberal does not make you more intelligent. Miami seems like a great fit for my son. He loved his visit.