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Old 04-03-2008, 08:40 PM   #16
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my award was posted online and my total aid was $38,614-my efc is 0
cost of attendance is $41,140.00.
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Old 04-03-2008, 09:10 PM   #17
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heh, yeah, my mom felt the same about her alma mater, who hardly sent me anything.
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:46 AM   #18
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It is just kind of a shock that "MY Miami" doesn't appear to care enough about the legacy.
Although many Miamians have convinced themselves that Miami is a private school, the reality is that it still is a public university. It's not MY Miami...or OUR Miami. It's the state of Ohio's Miami.

Can you imagine the political fallout, if it became publicized that Miami was offering the children of alumni better financial aid packages than other Ohioans with similar or better stats? We already have a bad reputation as a snobbish institution that wants to distance itself from the state which founded it. Were we to ever pull a stunt like the one above, every newspaper and legislator in the state would come down on Miami in the worst way--and rightfully so.

If Miami wants to act like a private university, then the Miami alumni need to put their money where their mouth is and raise the hundreds of millions (possibly a billion) of dollars that it would take to buy the buildings and land from the state of Ohio.
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Old 04-06-2008, 12:59 PM   #19
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State funded or not, it behooves any school to court alumni, and alumni children, as they are typically great donors.
So sorry to hear disappointing news believersmom! You have been a terrific Miami supporter on this forum, and I hope it does not sour your enthusiasm.
My d. did not get very good aid from my alma mater either (different school -- private U.), and it was very disappointing, when her other packages were much better. I realize it is a "business decision" by colleges, but sometimes you just wonder. Is there any room to approach Miami with her other scholarship offers, and at least question why the differences? I don't know if state schools have as much leeway, but perhaps they can re-evaluate to see if errors were made, or if other forms of aid may be possible.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:34 PM   #20
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You misunderstood my post. I did not mean that Miami should (or could) offer her aid/more aid/scholarships because she is a legacy. I have many thoughts in general about how disappointed I am in how Miami performed in the entire application process. The "My Miami" comment was a reference to the love and attachment I feel for my alma mater, a feeling of it being a part of me, as if it were my extended family. As well as my belief going into this, my D's senior year, that out of all the schools she visited, applied to, and was accepted into, that Miami would stand out as superior in many ways. When schools that I considered "lesser" (just my opinion) fell over her, were professional in their dealings with her, and went out of their way to "court" her I believed Miami would top that. They did not. [BTW - she ONLY applied to PUBLIC universities and all but two were MUCH larger than Miami, yet Miami was the least personal]

Ultimately it didn't come down to money and it wouldn't have - if D still loved Miami as much as she did when she started the application process, H & I would have made it happen and I would be contacting whomever I needed to in order to see what appeals were possible. She lost interest in Miami before the FA package came due mostly to feeling no interest or connection from a school she already loved, as other schools she got introduced to showed her the love. The FA package was JUST ONE MORE disappointment in the long list that developed over the last seven months. Miami is a much different place than when I attended and most of the changes are not for the better. That makes me sad, that's all.

In the end, D is very excited about her choice(I am waiting to post it until she has notified all her schools formaly that she is declining their admission offers) and I am happy that she is happy.

Also, I noted a couple curious things in your post that made me chuckle:
+Your use of "we" in the following paragraph, after chastising me for calling it "My Miami"
"We already have a bad reputation as a snobbish institution that wants to distance itself from the state which founded it. Were we to ever pull a stunt like the one above, every newspaper and legislator in the state would come down on Miami in the worst way--and rightfully so."
+And the fact that the State of Ohio does not seem to care too much about Miami as they keep cutting funding to the point that the university relies VERY heavily on outside funding (from alumni):
"Miami, which has suffered a 12 percent decline in state support in the past two years..." (university press release from past years)
"A 31 percent increase in non-state funded scholarships this year has allowed Miami University to award 9.6 million dollars to incoming students... This increase does not include the two scholarships that are given to in-state students...there are many factors that went into the 31 percent jump...
...The money also came from donors, such as alumni. With the number of alumni increasing each year, the budget for scholarships is able to increase as well. [ Financial aid increases for incoming students - Campus ]
From the budget highlights: "...the revenue that supports the academic
mission of Miami derives...state support makes up 26.5%"

It is very interesting to me that Miami likes to tug on those heart strings when they are calling me (as they JUST did again on Thursday evening past) to ask for money and support. The young student calling even emphasized that the university relies "HEAVILY" on alumni contributions and that "...state funding doesn't even come CLOSE to covering the budget..." Too bad FA & admissions don't talk to MUSF/Miami Fund phone volunteers and suggest that in the month leading up to decision day May 1st, it is probably not a good idea to call alumni who are also parents of admitted students that FA just suggested take out $28K a year in loans for the next four years and ask them for a donation. At least I could laugh about it

kjofkw-
Good points. Just want to add to it: A university that wants to add to it's coffers thru the wallets of it's alumni needs to pay attention to the little things that matter to that alumni. Among many ways I have served Miami since graduation, one of them was in a capacity as a member of the now apparently defunct "Alumni Recruiting Network." Each Jan-Feb-Mar we used to make welcome & congratulations phone calls to accepted students, putting a personal face on the university as they contemplated their enrollment. It is the little things like that Miami is missing now days. I don't know, maybe D telegraphed her desire that Miami was far and away her first choice that led them to think she was one yield they had in the bag...whatever the reason, it doesn't really matter now. They lost a good one (and I'm not biased at all - LOL - )
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:25 PM   #21
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I have mentioned in another thread, it is extremely important to file FASFA to get every ACADEMIC scholarship at MIAMI that you are eligible. If you filed FASFA than your FA package reflects your true award, if you did not file FASFA, you could have gotten more.
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Old 04-23-2008, 07:46 AM   #22
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I'm sorry you had some disappointing results, believersmom. Like others have said, you've been a great champion here. I understand your frustrations because last year we were in a similar situation with my D's first choice school. Ultimately she had to switch loyalties, and is very happy now at MU. It was rough at the time, but these things have a way of working out.

I take it your D was applying to Miami as an out of state student, since you were left with 28k per year. I'm assuming she was awarded the out of state scholarship (something like $6800) that goes to those with certain class rank and SAT. I don't think there are a lot more scholarships available for general population - $1000 for scholars, $2000 for honors - which are also somewhat automatic, based on academics. There are the full rides for the tippy top academically and the tippy top athletically. There are department specific awards.

Beyond that, there are need-based awards and in-state awards, neither of which I have knowledge.

MU has a nice population of "above average" students. The down side of that is that a student has to truly stand out (or be in state) to get better money. They are fairly inexpensive in comparison to many schools.

In one of your posts, you mentioned $80k worth of loans. In another place, you mentioned cost being $28k per year. Doing the math, I am thinking your EFC is $8000 (28 - 20 = 8)? If that is accurate, I'm disappointed that MU didn't come through with more for you. If they did meet your EFC, though, and your D is not a super star in any other way, then I would say you were treated fairly. (And therefore, it is wonderful that your D got even better offers from some of her other schools.) S

ometimes people equate EFC with loans, which is accurate if you do not have another plan to pay for your EFC, but is not what the government means by EFC. EFC is what they think you have a reasonable chance of paying for .... eventually. Not necessarily out of pocket this month. Most people meet their EFC with a combination of monthly income, savings, assets, and borrowing against future income. People with low EFC's are judged to not have this ability - even in the future.

I don't know if you appealed or not. We did last year, just for principal (because of a complicated financial situation), but we knew that D's awards already brought her costs below our EFC.

D is my third and last kid to go to college, and is attending the cheapest school of the three. (Oldest went Ivy - no merit. Second went private with some merit.) We are out of state, so we still pay $16k per year even after some nice scholarships. We are deemed to have no need, despite having 8 years worth of loans piled up.

I am happy your D has other options, and trust it will work out for the best.
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