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Old 04-21-2008, 10:42 PM   #1
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MHC vs. Wellesley

D is now trying to decide between these schools. She visited and loved them both. She has a scholarship at MHC and she loves the vibe here. Has any current student chosen MHC instead of Wellesley? Why did you make this choice, and are you happy?
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:43 PM   #2
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I am choosing MHC instead of Wellesley college. I am a transfer student (and therefore older) so my criterias are probably different from your d's. I visited both, I had interviews with both, I recieved almost full scholarships from both (including Smith College), but I found Wellesley to be very....snob. I do not know if you will have a problem with that, but it was not a right fit for me. Also I attended classes at both colleges and I was very dissapointed with the level of immaturity and lack of tolerance (international,political, religious, economical) that most of the Wellesley women showed. I am someone who is fluent in four languages and in my family all three monotheistic religions (and some more) exist and I just could not handle that kind of tension. Also, Wellesley takes pride in its diversity, but the truth is that I did not see any: most of the students were upper class, white, wealthy and of course legacies. MHC was very different from Wellesley and they accept you as you are: as a human that is not perfect and they cherish your uniqueness and assets. Needless to say both colleges provide superb education, but MHC fitted me the best (and to think that it was NOT my first choice; Wellesley was). All the best!
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:31 AM   #3
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My D has two friends at MH who got into Wellesley and Smith but chose MH.
I know one is "off the charts" in math and was valedictorian--She had her choice of several schools but was drawn to the feel of MH over the others (she also "loved the vibe" there) for many of the reasons mentioned above. I spoke with her for a while and know she is very happy with her choice. My daughter didn't look at Wellesley so didn't really compare them, but I know she REALLY likes MH. For such a small school, MH is a powerful international community with a lot going on. I heard Suzan-Lori Parks speak in NY at the Museum of Natural History event a few weeks ago. She did a great job of describing her experience as a student there and why she was so enthusiastic about it. She said the day she was visiting the school, some random student just looked at her and said "You will love it here".. she knew in that moment that that would be true for her, and it was. Both schools are great choices and in this case, your D loves them both so it is a bit harder for her to decide what is best for her. In the two cases I know of, the preference was clear.
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:10 PM   #4
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Thanks, Diplomat and kkkddd!

Thank you for your wonderful comments! D sent in her MHC enrollment deposit yesterday, and this morning I showed her your posts. They were lovely validation of her excitement in going to Mount Holyoke. We, her parents, are delighted by her excitement and happiness with her decision.
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:34 AM   #5
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Congratulations on your daughter's decision....and welcome to the MHC "family"!
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:12 PM   #6
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Congratulations and welcome to the MHC family! For the last four years my only thought was transferring to Wellesley, but I am so in love with MHC after I visited and researched about the college. It is going to be a great journey and she did a great choice! Congratulations! Go MHC!
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:07 PM   #7
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Operamom - please post next year and update us! My D is really looking forward to looking at MHC this summer/fall. It would be great to hear about her experience.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:03 PM   #8
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khsstitches--we will be sure to update. I am so grateful to everyone on CC for the thoughtful advice that has taken me through two admission cycles. Thanks to all of you!!

And welcome, khsstitches, to you and your D!
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:18 AM   #9
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Yay for Operamom's daughter! I'm glad I didn't need to tell my Wellesley horror story lol. I was going to take the time to write the whole thing out if she was still undecided .

I mentioned it in an earlier post, but your daughter (and all other accepted students) should join the Mt. Holyoke Class of 2012 facebook group, if she hasn't already. There is already a cute community building. A collection of current students are on it also. We're all ready and willing to answer any questions, so come on down!

BTW, I apologize for advertising another site on here (kinda tacky, I know); however, it would be to her advantage to ask questions in a community with more members, of course. There are some lovely pictures up in the group's gallery for you to scope out also. =)

PS: I keep saying "accepted students" are welcome on the facebook group because I don't know how the community feels about prospie or parent members; however, if anyone would like me to upload and post some of the pictures or ask the group any questions, just send me a message and I'd be happy to do what I can.


HORRAY AND CONGRATS TO ALL INCOMING STUDENTS!!!
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:47 PM   #10
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Frazzledmaybe, Can you PLEASE write your "horror Wellesley story"? Please, I need to show it to some Wellesley students that emailed and offended me why I did not choose Wellesley. But I want to share a short story: when I had an interview at Wellesley, there was this student from Eastern Europe who was applying as a transfer student as well. She had a 3.85 GPA at her community college and had completed 74 credits. She had been in USA for 3 years, during this time she was physically abused by a family member and could not leave because then she would lose her education. She had attended a private high school in her home country, based on the British sytem, with 14 classes a semester and with lectures from Cambridge and Oxford University-the only problem she had was that she had Cs in Math, Physics and Chemistry-but these were not just A-level high school classes, they were classes that were taken by grad students in Oxford. As EC activities she had worked with war refuges, taught ESL to 138 students, worked with victims of female trafficking (sex slaves), worked with victims of domestic abuse, two internships, Red Cross, survived a civil war, witnessed a girl kill herself because of gender discrimination etc. I thought that I was never going to have a chance of being accepted at Wellesley with this brilliant young woman applying there. Guess what: Wellesley did NOT accept her. She is going to attend MHC in the fall. This says a lot about Wellesley: what diversity do they talk about? What emancipation of women do they dream? Who are these women who are going to change the world according to them (women who have never known what suffering is, or women like her who know what it means)? The fact that she was not accepted (and therefore her wit and strength were not cherished) shows a lot what Wellesley really is.
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:32 PM   #11
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The Seven Sisters(5) are what they are......simliar but only peripherally. It's obvious from this post that some women choose Mt. Holyoke over Wellesley,while a review of the Smith page leads to a bashing of both. What's to prove as a student if you feel it's right for you? And as parents,why bash the others if you're daughter thinks she's in a great place?
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:43 PM   #12
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Celebrate the differences!

The differences between these wonderful schools are to be celebrated. D found so much to love in each of the schools that admitted her--she would not have applied if she had not been sure that each was a fantastic choice for her. As we visited, it was encouraging to note that everyone from admissions officials to faculty to students at each college enthusiastically provided information to help D determine the best fit. Not once did we hear negativity about another school even when D was asked and honestly responded with her decision list. It was very difficult to decide between MHC, Smith, Bryn Mawr and Wellesley. From our visits, we know that many smart young women were faced with similar decisions.

I am grateful to hear the opinions of all the students who took time to comment on all the threads where we posted. We know graduates of all the colleges, and they all had wonderful educations which have led to fulfilling lives. D has been grateful to have had such wonderful choices resulting from this stressful year of college applications. Her main regret is that it was necessary to choose.

She is, however, delighted to be a member of the MHC Class of 2012! See all you first-timers at orientation!
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:47 PM   #13
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I agree Operamom,my daughter is in the MHC Class of 2011. I'm happy;she's happy and no one has any regrets. In fact, I'm thrilled that she seems to be in the place that's right for her.
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:02 PM   #14
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2011, 2012....and I have a possilbe 2013 lurking in the wings.....the more we look at MHC the more it seems like a good fit. Thanks for the helpful posts.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:19 PM   #15
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Diplomat, in my experience, neither Wellesley nor Smith want real diversity. They only want their stats and reviews to LOOK like they want diversity.

Basically, I applied as a transfer student from a cc. I went to a community college because I left normal school in the beginning of 7th grade, due to chronic illness. I was hospitalized a dozen times, for periods up to 8 months at a time, to give you an idea. The education I received in the hospitals was fairly useless. As I'm sure you can imagine, schoolwork was nowhere close to a top concern in these hospitals. I never had homework, never really had grade-level assignments, etc. I explained the whole circumstance in more detail within an essay I sent along with my apps.

My health improved later, and I excelled once I went to college. I had a 3.9 in the honors program, won the SUNY Chancellor’s Award (the highest award given by the state), and won various awards for foreign language, writing, psychology, leadership in different clubs, etc. To put things in perspective: It is very unusual for a student to get even one award in a cc as large as the one I attended (over 12,000 students on my campus), but I was a very big part of the extracurricular scene there, as I had leadership positions in several clubs. I also had a VERY large number of community service hours, my art and poetry had been honored/recognized, etc. I had won contests for speeches and for singing (in Italian and in english), and worked as a clown part time (as well as a few other odd jobs). My math SAT score was well within their ranges and my english and reading scores were very far above their averages (math should have been irrelevant anyway, considering my listed major and potential profession). I don’t mean to come off as conceited, because I am not anywhere close, but my application was very good. I had fantastic on-campus interviews (interviews are a very strong area for me), my essays were very strong, I showed interest and in-depth knowledge of the colleges, and I had great recs (my profs let me read them). The Dean of Students even threw in a personal rec along with the "letter of good standing" required from my school (she normally doesn't do that, but she knew me because of my involvement).

I won’t go on about the struggles I went through growing up, but I can guarantee you (without any fear of exaggeration whatsoever) that I’ve overcome more than most people have in a lifetime. Obviously only so much can be shared in an application; however, I tastefully shared enough to make it clear that my life did a complete 180 and that I was immensely grateful for every chance I received to improve myself and my education.

Anyway, back to the point:

Due to many reasons, I decided not to transfer right away. First, my lack of education and a personal situation at home made an earlier transfer unfavorable.

Second, I took many credits outside of my diploma path, but was encouraged to finish my associates degree. About a year prior to sending in my apps, I read that some schools had a policy about not accepting more than 2 years of credit. I became nervous and called a school I was considering, but the person I spoke with assured me that it wouldn't be a problem since I'd be coming from a 2 year school. I also spoke with advisors from my school and they again encouraged me to finish my associates. Everything in my life led me to the conclusion that the best option was to stay.

Clearly, some of the people I spoke with were misinformed because about 2 weeks after I sent in the first of my apps I received a call from Wellesley. I was told that they reviewed my transcript and determined that I was ineligible to transfer because I had “too many” credits. They don’t allow applicants to relinquish credits, so I was out of luck.

In a panic, I called the other colleges. The best part is that when I called Smith’s registrar, they told me not to worry about the credits because they were from a two-year college. Paranoid as I am, I called the Smith admissions office just to make sure. Well, Smith’s depts aren’t on the same page because the adcom office said that the credits WERE a problem. They were very rude, far ruder than Wellesley, to give Wellesley some credit.

Essentially, Wellesley (and Smith) penalized me for educating myself “too much.” Let me explain further: I would have needed to attend for an extra 2 years regardless because I only took classes at the 100 and 200 level. Obviously my classes were still all only up to the sophomore level because I was coming from a community college. Additionally, most schools don't apply credits to the major. Therefore, I would DEFINITELY need 2 years to finish.

I wrote letters to Wellesley and Smith explaining that I would certainly take another 2 years, regardless of credits, and I explained my interest in the colleges and the above information about the 100 and 200 level classes. I was told that it didn’t matter. I was even told to simply go to a state school where I could graduate in a year. The contempt that I was shown was ridiculous. And it was fairly insulting that they would suggest that I look into a state school to “save time” when anyone who had read my letter would have seen that my point was that I would need to take 2 years regardless. More importantly, had they seriously reviewed my application, they would have seen the effort that I invested into finding the “right fit” colleges. The women’s colleges to which I applied are polar opposites of my state schools.

So, I wasn’t even permitted to apply simply because I had too many credits... Imagine not being told that you were rejected, but (after sending in the apps) being told that you’re INELIGIBLE to apply because of some silly red-tape rules.

To be fair, Wellesley and Smith are very wonderful to many students; however, my experiences have shown me, without a doubt, that MHC is the better college. Mount Holyoke TRULY wants a diverse student body. They won’t be illogical because they don’t care enough to look past silly bureaucratic boxes.

/end novel
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