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Hope Medical Institute- good or bad

md4memd4me Posts: 396Registered User Member
edited November 2007 in Multiple Degree Programs
has anyone heard of their 6 year program? the school's in poland but i don't know if its any good or not. what're your takes on this??
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Replies to: Hope Medical Institute- good or bad

  • collegefreak87collegefreak87 Posts: 366Registered User Junior Member
    hahahahahahaha, u've been seeing their ads on dish network
  • LotringsLotrings Posts: 6Registered User New Member
    One of my family friends just started there... pretty bad academically. But his mom says that he wanted to go to Poland so he wouldn't have to waste his time on the MCAT... Indian mothers are something aren't they?
  • funkmastafunkmasta Posts: 662Registered User Member
    yeah i know someone whos' going there. If you want to become a doctor, just go. It's really cold and depressing around there from what I hear, but if you have the money, coming back home to visit will fiix that problem.
  • md4memd4me Posts: 396Registered User Member
    i mean is it worth going and could you find a job in the usa becasue if you say that you got an md in poland wouldn't it sound...fishy?
  • southasianmomsouthasianmom Posts: 12Registered User New Member
    European med schools have a reputation of being substandard
    It is not like India or Pakistan . The training in these places are far superior. Graduates from there are well versed academically than in any other place b/c there is a high value placed on theory. Like the computer guys from India are the best in theory, can solve problems better than their American counterpoint.
    I trained w/some European docs and they were the worst in the program. Poor work ethic, not hard workers, poor english and didn't know squat. That was somewhat universal. So don't consider European schools.
    If you are considereing Med school abroad (which may not be the best way b/c residencies are getting more difficult for foreign med grads) think about England and some Carribean schools. Otherwise it will be tough haul
  • gldfishwrldgldfishwrld Posts: 32Registered User Junior Member
    when is the deadline to apply to that medical school in poland? also, how much is the tuition?
    i am planning to attend a medical school in the carribeans since the tuiton is low, but i am a little skeptical. i mean, what if you dont get your residency when you come back to the US?? would i be stuck in the carribean?!
  • dumbstruck1089dumbstruck1089 Posts: 521Registered User Member
    yea, the poland medical program is not that great. it took someone from my church three times to pass the USMLE Step 1 and he went to the poland program (not sure if it was hope)
  • Aspen DAspen D Posts: 1,485Registered User Senior Member
    you wouldn't be totally stuck in the carribbean.

    I've heard of one girl go through hope and end up fine.

    Personally MD, I think you'll get in somewhere. :]
  • md4memd4me Posts: 396Registered User Member
    Haha. I hope I get in somewhere else besides hope. I'm not sure now if I'm even going to apply anymore- I think I might as well do the traditional route if I don't get into one of the ba/md progs.
  • Aspen DAspen D Posts: 1,485Registered User Senior Member
    Yup....I know I'm not leaving the US. Just too drastic...too crazy...and I know I want med bad enough to go traditional even if it takes longer or is more stressful
  • norcalguynorcalguy Posts: 7,541Registered User Senior Member
    Just about everyone who goes to med school got in the traditional way. It's really not that terrible. I certainly would not go to med school abroad if my only reason for doing so was to avoid the traditional path and the mcat.

    BTW: The MCAT takes roughly 2-3 months to study for. Someone willing to suffer for 6 years in Poland just to avoid having to study 2 months for the MCAT is crazy.
  • gldfishwrldgldfishwrld Posts: 32Registered User Junior Member
    aspen d: which college did that individual that you mentioned go to in the carribean?
    about the mcats , i was planning to go to a foreign medical school since i would save time that i could spend rather with the professional studies and all. my parents actually want me to go to the carribbean since its only 6 years and plus i could learn spanish. the only thing i am worried about is coming back to the US and getting the residency.
  • EvilbooyaaEvilbooyaa Posts: 672Registered User Member
    my personal policy is - if the program is foreign, you better not be showin.

    that means, skip it.
  • bigndudebigndude Posts: 1,054Registered User Member
    In all honestly some programs in Poland and Europe are good, others stink. Hope isnt too great, but if you work your butt off and self study you will probably have no problem coming back here and getting a residency. Now getting a really good residency in a really competitive field is EXTREMELY hard, but any old residency you will get. If you want a good program look at Jagiellonian in Krakow. GREAT city, and very good program. The University is also one of the oldest in the world and has been teaching medicine since the 1300's, American med schools can eat their heart out in comparing themselves age wise. The level of education in Poland is good, but its not like the U.S. there they do not hold your hand, guide you, or really help you. Its all up to you. Thats why so many people fail out from the states, they are babied too much.
  • R3liCR3liC Posts: 2Registered User New Member
    This is to all prospective students who are curious about the university. I attended the HMI program for the 1st of 4 year program in Sept. 2007 after i finished my undergraduate degree and there are a lot of things which you should be aware of the HMI isn't telling you. I'll start out by saying that if you have any other option, you should try that first because this school isn't very legit. I should've known this when they lost half my application materials even though i sent them all in one envelope. Ok so here goes. I went to Selesia for orientation week and multiple reasons told me to go home. First of all, not a single person there believes in the school itself, every single person there doesn't have any faith in the program what so ever and are only continuing it because they already put time and money into it and the credits wont transfer. Right when you get there you start to get curious since it seems that most of the student body is failing courses and there are plenty of people who admit to paying professors for grades. This is horrible on so many levels and it effects everyone considering their fake A after three failures would be better than your B since they don't keep class rank! Second on the orientation tour, the leader of the tour blatantly told us which rooms you can cheat in and which you cannot cheat in (in front of the visiting parents). Your grade is not also all academically based since professor can grade you lower or higher if they like you or if you dress the wrong or right way. The main thing that HMI does tell you is that 100% of their people who pass the USMLE step 1 get a clinical rotations. This sounds impressive but means nothing since this is automatically given everywhere. The thing they don't tell you is that their passing rate is horrible because their program isn't focused on learning the materials to passing the USMLE like every program in the US or Caribbean. The previous year to me had 2 people out of 42 pass on their first time and even HMI will admit that if you don't pass on your first time, you will probably never get a US residency therefore never be able to practice in the US. You will see them doubt their own programs because they recommend you take the 6000 dollar prep course for the USMLE1 two times before you even take the test. Ok now to the even sketchier part. I went their thinking that I could do my clinical rotations in NY, chicago, or ohio like they say. The truth is they lied. When I went there, I found out that both the chicago and ohio clinics cancelled the program because they didn't want to be associated with the school and its curriculum. This was a major concern of mine since I am definitely no rich and I dont want to spend 2 year of tuition and then find out that the NY one closed also and I cant do clinicals in the US and therefore not practice. So a few of us brought it up with the orientation leader. Guess what, he literally said "I'm not allowed to talk about that" and turned away! Then the next day he made this speech saying the clinicals were closing down since they HMI wasn't filling the yearly reserved seats. This might sound like a legit excuse but it simply means nothing because it just shows that not enough people are passing and these hospitals are not going allows HMI to send random sized groups every year and waste seats. So simply, Yes the programs did shut down. (HMI does this a lot, they don't blatantly lie but avoid the question or answer a different question to try and cover up the original.) At this point, I was made up since not a single person said the program was worth it and they all said they regret going to HMI. Also the school is the most unorganized thing I have ever seen. I've seen day cares that are better organized. If you don't believe me, go to the so called "mandatory" orientation and see how everything is unorganized and every event starts like 2 hours late. (Turns out that most people don't even go to the orientation and its doesn't hurt anything.) Also, the only time any from HMI was available is when I told them I was leaving and wanted a refund. Funny thing is 4 wanted to leave that day also and they said we had to Dr "Shame" as we started to call him. Turns out this was a way to try to convince us to stay and he kept trying to talk us into but he avoided every question I brought up. Instead he did as HMI always does, and answers random other questions and makes it sound like he is giving you a good answer but in-fact not answering a single question. One of the mothers who took her son out asked why so many kids were failing because a high percentage like that couldn't be from students, it had to be from bad teaching. Dr. "Shame" replied that it was because students weren't studying and he was like "look this room we are is for studying and no one is in here reading." I replied by saying "The room was locked and you just unlocked it with your key, so how do you expect people to study here?" He then told me that you could find him to open it even though this was the first time I had even seen him in the week I was there. He also had no clue about a refund policy even though he supposedly worked for HMI for so long. The funny thing was he told me that he also has a Ph.D. in psychology and that I had mental issues for wanting to leave but he didn't want to go into a session with me. This was funny because the reason we call him SHAME is because it is common knowledge that he isn't even a M.D. He is in-fact a person who put Dr in front of his name even though he hasn't even finished his medical school. During the meeting he also tried to bring up that if I go back to the states and go to school, i wouldn't be able to practice anywhere else in the world like i would through HMI. The funny thing is you can by participating in Doctors without borders and he had no idea what the program was. What kind of doctor has never heard of doctors without borders? (Plus even though this was to just prove a point, i also shadowed in Shanghai at Ren Ji Hospital for 2 months and plenty of surgeons would visit from the US and they would lecture and be invited to preform surgeries (but i didn't want to bring this up since it would be something he would think I was lying about))
    So as you can tell, i left the school even though I did make a lot of friends there which i still keep in-touch with.

    So this was my experience and as you can see I didn't leave for any small reason. As a whole the institution isn't what anyone would expect of any school let alone a medical school. Seriously look at the website itself and see if it looks like something that would represent a legit medical school.

    If you don't believe me, good luck but things you should know:

    1. Make sure to buy your books in the US. James Womack told me that it was optional because there are book stores on campus. Turns out not. But don't buy your books unless you know what to get because apparently the book list they give you at orientation is about 5 years out of date. The list was made by professors who no longer teach so only about half the books on the list are still needed and half that are needed are not on the list. (A lot of people were really not happy about this since they brought all their books) So make sure you check with a 2nd of 6 or 2nd of 4 on which books you need. Most people are selling their books anyways so you could just buy their used books.

    2. The seat allocation fee is fake. Medical school isn't cheap but this fee is fake. Don't pay it. Its as simple as this, not paying this fee doesn't affect anything at first. Obviously if you actually do want to graduate from this place, pay it later on but at first don't pay a single cent because it wont hurt anything. This will make it so that if you do end up seeing that my above statements are true. They wont keep 3000 dollars for no reason. Plenty of people their don't pay this money and only people who are there know that it wont affect your admission. DONT PAY UNLESS YOU ARE SURE YOU ARE STAYING IN THE PROGRAM.
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