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I didn't make it into All State Chorus.

user000195user000195 Posts: 4Registered User New Member
edited November 2012 in Music Major
I am a senior in HS. Last year I tried out for All State Chorus and received a terrible score of 92 mostly due to my musicality and sight singing (and the fact one judge had rated me a significant amount lower than the other two). This year I tried yet again and did not make it in - in fact I was the only senior out of 7 to not make it in, which as you can imagine was incredibly disheartening and embarrassing. My choir teacher says I'm one of the best sopranos he has ever had, but how can this be if I can not even make it into All State? Though auditioning for college (I plan to go to tech to get some classes out of the way first) is a way in the future, I am very disheartened. If I can not even make it into All State, how can I make it into a college as a voice major? I haven't received my scores for my audition this year so I do not know what areas I had trouble in.

So I suppose my question is, is it unrealistic to pursue a voice/choral major if I can not even make it into the All State Chorus?
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  • woodwindswoodwinds Posts: 533Registered User Member
    There are several ways to look at this.

    Going to All-State doesn't matter. Many music students entering the "top" conservatories in the country don't bother even applying to All-State. My daughter doesn't apply any more. She did it in 9th grade, but didn't like the process or the music selections. I popped into the warmup room a few times while she was waiting (five hours!) for her turn to audition. There were a number of oboe players there who certainly had no business auditioning for an All-State Band. I learned later that only 3 players per region get to audition. In our state the best players almost all come from the north, so the All-State process eliminates most of the top players. That's why it's irrelevant.

    You do need music performing experience. There are many ways to get this other than All-State. Do you have a private teacher?

    You might also have performance jitters and not do well auditioning. The best way to remedy this is to practice auditioning more.

    You should also get a professional, other than your school teacher, to give you an evaluation of your abilities, if you have doubts.

    Others with specific voice experience can give you more advice.
  • kmcmom13kmcmom13 Posts: 3,283Registered User Senior Member
    Are you applying to colleges to audition this year? Do you have a private vocal instructor? Voices develop at different rates and serious private instruction makes a world of difference in developing vocal skill. If you love singing, maybe a gap year and intensive training would make a huge difference in your level of competitiveness. For a soprano, I am given to understand that it can be even moreso.

    Were you hoping to pursue performance, or is your goal more along the lines of teaching?

    By way of example, my son is no singer to my mind, but writes a lot of music he loves to try to sing ;) In hs, he played trumpet, wrote music, and was involved in music tech, which he did go on to study at a music school. One summer, he took private singing lessons with an opera prof in our community. The improvement was unbelievable. Then he found a private teacher at his university and took a studio, which he was allowed to do because he was already a music major. Today, his singing is by comparison, quite beautiful, and he's comfortable singing on stage and recording his own indie material on
    the side. Now, that's not the same as being a vocalist, but I wanted to give you and idea of what can happen with a few good teachers and a bit of time ;)

    Life is not a sprint, it's a marathon. If you really want to sing at a highly competitive level, take the time and get the extra instruction now to do so! What Allstate has shown you is simply that in terms of technical development, you have some work to do compared to others. What makes the difference now is the determination and passion you bring to the task ;)
  • SetumommySetumommy Posts: 24Registered User New Member
    While All-State can be a fulfilling experience, its benefits for the aspiring soloist are limited. The grading scale is not designed to judge the beauty or technique of your singing as much as it rates a singer's choral musicianship skills. They may be looking for ducklings and you're a swan! So let it go - take the sound advice of the other posters, and be sure to seek good training from a private voice teacher.
    Take the time you need to be certain you are ready to audition for competitive music schools. You won't regret the preparation! Best of luck!
  • KatMTKatMT Posts: 3,418College Rep Senior Member
    "Though auditioning for college (I plan to go to tech to get some classes out of the way first) is a way in the future..."

    You may find that even after transferring from a CC or technical college you still need to complete four years in the college music program. Often students in music performance are required to complete a certain number of semesters or levels of private voice lessons to obtain the degree. In addition there may be required semesters of musicianship classes, music history, etc.... that are sequences in a way that will make it difficult to complete a program in less than four years. This is something to look into at the schools that interest you.
  • HuntHunt Posts: 22,054Registered User Senior Member
    I would also suggest a private teacher--and I would note that auditioning is a different thing from performing, and a teacher may be able to help you if there are issues with auditioning.
  • musicprntmusicprnt Posts: 2,396Registered User Senior Member
    I have to agree with others, my experience with all state programs (both instrumental and choral) is that you have to take them with a grain of salt. The fact that someone makes all state can be as irrelevant in judging someone's future as not making it can be. To be brutally honest, the people assessing all state may not be that great at assessing in terms of what makes for a musician or vocalist who has the ability to make it, plus the procedure to make it there might very well leave off a really talented kid because of the methodology (for example, the second best vocalist in an area who doesn't make it might be better then the winner in another area).

    I am not knocking the idea of All State or saying it is worthless, what I am saying is what others have, as a benchmark about whether you can make it in as a musician is dicey. On top of everything else, I know of examples from my own time in music programs (note, I was not all state caliber, I was more like all star hall of shame as a music student) plus from what I have seen, there can be bias against certain high level students, where music teachers can resent a kid who is out there 'taking space' in all state (some of the people involved in all state basically treat it as the domain of public school music programs and can resent 'outsiders' or whatever.....not all, not a lot, just saying it can happen). Basically, all state exists in its own world and may or may not reflect on how good the students who get accepted (or rejected) are. I can tell you that in instrumental music, the kids who are in the top level high school music programs, the prep and pre college programs, rarely do all state.

    To give you an idea, my son had an evaluation done as part of a music teacher's association program, where the student goes, plays in front of other teachers and get an assessment,in terms of who does the judging it is similar to all state as I know it. At the time of the last one my son did he had auditioned for and gotten into a really high level program on violin, and he was playing one of the bach solo partitas as part of his rep( a particularly difficult fugue). He played the same piece at his assessment, and the person there ripped apart his playing, telling him he wasn't playing bach right (his main private teacher saw the assessment, rolled their eyes at the comments, and said the person seemed to think Bach was writing in 1870, not 1720).

    Vocal music is different then instrumental, with instrumental music, especially strings, the development is way earlier, and thus by the time you get to senior year of high school, if you are a string player and behind the curve, it has implications about the future, whereas vocalists develop much, much later as others have said.

    My recommendation? If you are seriously thinking of at some point getting into vocal music, find a high level teacher you can get to, and get an assessment of your skills and weaknesses, to see what they think, someone who teaches at a respected music program is not a bad way to go. The other piece of advice I can give is if you really love to sing and have any hope of going forward with it, if you can find yourself a private teacher to start working on it..and even if you don't major in voice in college, you can still get as much out of your voice you can:)
  • PianoMan12PianoMan12 Posts: 158Registered User Junior Member
    Don't worry about making all-state or anything like that at all. Music is subjective; these things don't matter. My freshman year of high school I didn't make solo & ensemble state but the next year I won the highest award there, only to not win that award junior year and then win it again senior year while making it into every school at which I got a live audition. As a musician you have to only focus on your successes, not your failures.
  • opera-momopera-mom Posts: 382Registered User Member
    Don't sweat it....my daughter never made all state choir. She also didn't make top choir at her high school her junior year. In talking to the choir director we were told that she was "gifted" and couldn't be blended...so at that point we had to look for other opportunities for her.

    Currently she is a senior vocal performance major at San Francisco conservatory of music and is doing very well....

    So, All State choir is not necessarily a measure of your potential.
  • Singersmom07Singersmom07 Posts: 3,291Registered User Senior Member
    DD's senior year the All State chorus only selected the second and third tier singers. None of the top singers in DD's top rated HS choir made it. You can't tell what a judging panel is going to do. BTW - 2 of the ones that did not make it (including DD) got into top conservatories and both are working singers now. The ones that made it never majored in music. No school will judge you based on the All State chorus. Do get a private teacher though to help you get ready for auditions.
  • momofmusician17momofmusician17 Posts: 426Registered User Member
    My son just auditioned for All State Jazz Choir and made it. His comment about the choir is that you don't necessarily have the best voice, but you have the ability to sing with a group of people (I think one mom said blending). A girl in the choir last year has an absolutely beautiful voice (she brought me to tears multiple times during her solo recital) and she did not make All State because of sight singing. One of the girls in his Honors choir this year at school has never made it into the top level Jazz a capella choir. He said outright she has the best voice of anyone in the group, but she has a much harder time singing with a group of people a capella. Her voice tends to overpower the other voices when she sings (the blending problem again). I really wouldn't worry about it. Follow your dreams :)
  • violindadviolindad Posts: 925Registered User Member
    Good advice above: a) judging and scores (especially for voice) can be unpredictable and erratic; b) the skills required of a choral singer are quite different from those of a soloist; c) making or not making all-state doesn't correlate well with vocal-major potential.

    Having said that, though, you are wise to question your abilities, since not making all-state could possibly indicate a lack of vocal talent. I would recommend getting at least one lesson (if not regular lessons) from a voice teacher than regularly sends high school students into college vocal programs. If you just want a single lesson, let them know that you want an assessment of your potential and why you want it. If the teacher is unwilling to give you such a lesson, that is often an indication that they aren't in a position to assess potential (which is fine) and you just need to contact another teacher.
  • redeye41redeye41 Posts: 272Registered User Junior Member
    My daughter's good friend received a 100 on her all-state Flute audition, and was elated until she realized so had 399 other kids! That's right, 400 Flute players got 100's! They had to go back and choose based on judges comments, which I don't think was very fair as kids auditioned with different judges on different days, so who can really say why certain comments were written? This girl found out she was an alternate, but didn't know what number in the alternate field. She eventually, less then three weeks before all- state, was notified she had made the wind ensemble. And she's still not sure if she got in because of the comments or because our school was under represented at all state this year compared to other years. Years from now it will probably be one of those flute players that didn't make all-state or even get a 100 that makes it big! Those that can shake off the disappointment and get back to work always have a chance when they've got the talent! (And it sounds as if your teacher says you have the talent!)
  • bigdjpbigdjp Posts: 105Registered User Junior Member
    Take it with a grain of salt. My son was an alternate who is now attending. He has been given sample lessons and has been told by the faculty that he will be competative for spots at Curtis and Eastman. So in the real scope of things, who cares what all state thinks?
  • ImThinkingImThinking Posts: 149Registered User Junior Member
    I didn't in my state either! I almost made a new thread because I didn't want to rob yours, but it's a similar story. I have a private teacher and have won several competitions, and did very well at the state solo competition. Kind of bummed when people that I've beat in solo competition made it and I didn't. I am confident I have solo potential though - the best thing to do is to get assessed by a few teachers other than your own. All-state takes attention away from solo work and competitions anyways, but wondering what went wrong. I've made it before.

    It's interesting how different states operate. Mine doesn't do sight singing or any of that. We just send in recordings of us singing scales and a simple uniformly assigned song.

    Don't feel bad!
  • saye329saye329 Posts: 112Registered User Junior Member
    Are you all referring to the All-State Chorus program of Georgia??
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