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Dual-Degree Programs???

calivlacalivla Posts: 105Registered User Junior Member
edited February 2008 in Music Major
Can anyone talk specifically talk about the details of the following dual-programs across the nation?? (or any more that you know of)

Julliard/Columbia
Vanderbilt/Blair
Johns Hopkins / Peabody
Rice / Shephard
Northwestern (5 year- dual degree)
Harvard / New England Conservatory
U of Rochester / Manhatten School of Music
...

Thanks!!
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  • violadadvioladad Posts: 6,641Registered User Senior Member
    calivla-

    Some prior discussions here. Many of the schools you've pegged are within.

    It's Rochester/Eastman, not Manhattan.

    Additionally, if you post a bit of background, people will have an easier time addresing potential issues and pitfalls. (I know what you are looking for, but there is a wealth of experience on this board.)


    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/329817-columbia-juilliard.html?highlight=double+degree
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/72531-schools-have-strong-music-science-programs.html?highlight=double+degree
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/395887-i-have-list-sorts-can-someone-point-me-right-direction.html?highlight=double+degree
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/385212-opinions-alumni-applicants-bard-double-degree.html?highlight=double+degree

    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/369520-more-dual-degree-music-plus-schools.html?highlight=double+degree
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/339807-double-majoring.html?highlight=double+degree
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    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/274118-double-degree-flexibility.html?highlight=double+degree
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/298779-tufts-nec.html?highlight=double+degree
  • mamenyumamenyu Posts: 1,520Registered User Senior Member
    Assuming that this is for this year, have you applied to Juilliard and NEC? I don't think you can apply to the Columbia-Juilliard program except as a freshman; you can apply to the Harvard-NEC program after the first year. Both are small and require not only admission by both schools, but acceptance into the dual program. Same is true for Peabody. So, for example, Juilliard takes one or two a year; Harvard takes about 5 -- this is in all disciplines (instrumental, piano, vocal, composition). The Harvard and Columbia programs (and Yales, with the School of Music) are 5 years: you have lessons at the conservatory for the first 3 years, begin the MM program in senior year, and then go to the conservatory in the 5th year. Peabody is a BMus/BA program -- like Oberlin, but takes only a few students a year.
  • shennieshennie Posts: 2,467Registered User Senior Member
    Eastman / Rochester - First, Eastman is part of Univ. of Rochester. You have to apply to both Eastman and whatever other school you want at UR. Admission to either is completely independent from the other. You could get accepted to one or the other, neither, or both. If you are accepted at Eastman, you can apply at any time for admission to one of the other schools at UR, so you don't have to apply for both at the same time.

    At Rice, the Shepard School is more integrated into the rest of Rice. However, you still need to apply to both the music school and the University. It is possible to be accepted by the music school but denied admission by the University. If you apply as a music student you must be accepted to both Shepard and the University to attend.
  • BlueMorphoBlueMorpho Posts: 4Registered User New Member
    University of Michigan has several Music dual degree programs:
    UM School of Music, Theatre & Dance - Dual Degree Programs
  • edadedad Posts: 2,584Registered User Senior Member
    There are a lot of university-based programs and these include some really good music schools; for example, the U of Illinois. The conservatory-based programs are much less friendly to the double degree student. The requirements can be very demanding and in spite of official programs, faculty support can be less than enthusiastic. Oberlin seems to be an exception. There are a high number of DD students and the majority complete both degrees. Requirements are minimal, but still require 4 1/2-5 years. MSM and Juilliard have little or nothing approaching true DD programs. Eastman/Rochester and Peabody/JHU are somewhere in the middle with viable programs that are quite difficult to complete. I recommend doing a lot of research before applying. You need to research admission requirements, graduation requirements and costs. We found that it is common to pay the higher tuition of the 2 schools involved. If you earn a great merit scholarship for a conservatory you may need to give it up in order to do the DD.
  • thzxcylthzxcyl Posts: 196Registered User Junior Member
    I think you will need to evaluate your own preferences first since all the so-called DD programs out there are very, very different from each other.

    What are you looking for for the academic part, a ivy-league quality school? - that would be Harvard & Columbia, perhaps Hopkins and Northwestern as well.

    Do you really want an undergraduate music education (i.e. being around with music majors, or in general living in a conservatory environment)? Then Juilliard/Columbia and NEC/Harvard will be out, since they only offer a separate master degree and you don't interact with music performance majors most of the times.

    How much workload are you willing to handle? Are you looking for a super-intense and bordering on impossible program? or a a program that is possible for most people in the program? - Read the comments above concerning the difficulties of the programs and also ask the admission offices for the graduation/drop out rates.

    I know you are looking for DD programs, but do you find yourself liking either the music or the academic just slightly better? If music is what you are truly passionate about, while (whatever academic subject) is just something you like a lots and would like to continue on, then maybe most of the university programs are out since their music departments are probably of dubious quality.

    How much can you afford to pay? There are a great variety of ways of how financial stuff works out in the program. Some programs have extra charges for the DD students; some actually work out nicely.Read all the information carefully!

    Etc. etc.... I would suggest asking a lots of questions to yourself!

    Also, if you haven't done it yet, check out the nice page on the Peabody admission site about double degree programs.
  • mamenyumamenyu Posts: 1,520Registered User Senior Member
    Academically, all of the schools you mention are quite good; some are obviously harder to get into, but in any one of them you will get a first-rate education. Whether you would have a first-rate music experience is another matter, and at what cost financially (e.g. Harvard/NEC = Harvard tuition + $6,000, then NEC tuition; Columbia/Juilliard = Columbia tuition, then Juilliard tuition) and to your social life/sanity, trying to do so much at once (check the Internet for an account by Alisia Weilerstein of her time as a Columbia/Juilliard student -- she loved it, but it was hard to balance)?
  • nycmnycm Posts: 284Registered User Junior Member
    Just adding to the wealth of good advice posted here so far. The more integrated the schools, the easier it will be to attempt a dual degree, and the easier it will also be to change your mind along the way. We found Oberlin, Northwestern and University of Michigan very dual-degree friendly since even the non-dual degree music majors are taking academic classes in the liberal arts or sciences departments at the schools. All of these have a significant percentage of students who do the dual programs (around 20% or so I believe) This is NOT the case with Columbia-Julliard/ Tufts-NEC and even with some of the schools at are more closely associated (Rice-Shepard, Eastman Rochester) where only a very very small percentage of students do double degrees. (for DD's instrument, she was told that the Shepherd teacher would permit her to do a double degree, and that only a few Shepherd faculty allowed this.) Peabody-Hopkins also only has a small percentage of dual degree students, and the logistics are not great. You should also investigate Bard.
  • calivlacalivla Posts: 105Registered User Junior Member
    thx for the feedback

    I have already applied to northwestern, Peabody, Blair, and USC.
  • the_daydreamerthe_daydreamer Posts: 80Registered User Junior Member
    Wait, so, maybe I'm extremely naive for not having realized this before, but I wasn't remotely aware that completing a dual degree program at two separate institutions required tuition be paid for BOTH institutions... Is this really the case? Is there anywhere at which it is not?
  • mamenyumamenyu Posts: 1,520Registered User Senior Member
    Many only involve one tuition -- e.g., Oberlin, though it might take 5 years; as mentioned, Harvard-NEC involves an extra charge of $6,000 for the lessons at NEC, which is probably about what you would pay if you took private lessons.
  • nycmnycm Posts: 284Registered User Junior Member
    most dual degree programs at two separate institutions (Tufts-NEC, Columbia-Julliard) have some sort of arrangement so that you do not pay two full tuitions, but you should inquire about the exact costs, and also about how the two insitutions combine course schedules and requirements. Also some dual degree programs are for BM and MM, some for two Bachelor degrees...The devil is in the details, as they say!
  • violadadvioladad Posts: 6,641Registered User Senior Member
    daydreamer- Beyond what mamenyu and nycm have stated, it's important to thoroughly investigate all aspects of the seperate institution/combined programs. Obvious items are selectivity, tuition/fees, teacher assignment/availability, and performing organizations, but quality of peers, logistical/time/transportation issues, and success rates should be factored in as well.
  • thzxcylthzxcyl Posts: 196Registered User Junior Member
    daydreamer: take the advise above and read though the details of the programs you are looking at. Hopkins/Peabody, for one, requires only one tuition, and that's the Hopkins tuition (although the Peabody tuition is not much cheaper). So technically you go to Peabody for free if you are a DD student, but then you lost all your merit money from Peabody, which could be a substantial lost if you are an exceptionally good performer and do not get much money from Hopkins.
  • mamenyumamenyu Posts: 1,520Registered User Senior Member
    Columbia-Juilliard = Columbia tuition; no extra charge for Juilliard, as I recall. Oberlin double degree = one tuition; if you get a merit scholarship from either the Conservatory or the College, it is for 5 years, as long as you stay in the program (but if it is from the Conservatory and you decide to do the college only, you will lose it and vice versa); Yale-Yale School of Music = Yale tuition.
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