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Old 10-28-2009, 10:59 PM   #31
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The bottom is line that everyone is looking for a different college environment, and Oberlin is where some of us fit. Of course not everyone would be happy here; but the same is true of every other university on the planet, and I don't think it represents a fundamental problem with the school.
Cool. Thanks for sharing that.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:22 PM   #32
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"Letting my freak flag fly" is from a Crosby, Stills and Nash song. They coined the phrase themselves and it's a good think in the song. CSN and seventies culture mainly associated it with long hair.

Hm. I have nothing to do with Oberlin except for a lovely young friend who attends the conservatory. Sadly, neither of my kids were willing to apply to any schools west of the Hudson. I would have loved to go visit.

I do know of young men at schools seen as much more conservative than Oberlin who have experimented with wearing skirts to class, either because they're contra dancers and that's what they where or for other more personal reasons.

Why would this bother any one else?

Clearly, it's not the norm, and if a few individuals are unsure of their own personal boundaries and are looking to discover them, then good for them. If they decide they like wearing skirts, well than good for them too.

Kilts, the short white pleated skirts Greek soldiers once wore, togas, chitons, robes .... these have all been acceptable masculine dress in the cultures they appeared.

Why are they rules?

How does experimenting with a clothing style mean someone has lost a sense of decorum? Are they rude? Threatening others? Making noise that makes it impossible to learn?

I am a college teacher, and when it was in style I did find rows of backwards baseball caps in my classes alienated.

Why did I do? Got rid of the rows and had everyone sit it a circle so we could listen to each other and see each others' faces and facial expressions. I never said anything about the caps; it was the style. I am glad it passed.

If a guy wore a skirt into my classroom why would I have difficulty with that?

And things that push the envelope often become accepted. Georges Sand was very outrageous for wearing trousers. Well, I think we know where that went. Is there anyone who thinks a young woman has lost a sense of decorum for wearing pants?

Many Native American tribes allowed men to wear women's clothing and self-define that way.

Let's not project our anxieties onto kids and make value judgments.

And as to the question about whether college should be a bubble or a half-way house, well, one of the reasons I chose college teaching as a profession was because I didn't want to conform to a corporate dress code. I guess you could say I am spending my entire life in the academic bubble. It does make me happy.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:37 PM   #33
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I just have to say this entire thread makes me incredibly proud of Oberlin.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:47 PM   #34
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ditto what dave72 says.

Don't go there, don't know anyone there currently. Have known a couple people who have gone there and they are incredibly, well adjusted, productive, caring and compassionate individuals. The world would be a nicer place if there were more people like those that go to Oberlin.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:25 PM   #35
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"Letting my freak flag fly" is from a Crosby, Stills and Nash song. They coined the phrase themselves and it's a good thing in the song. CSN and seventies culture mainly associated it with long hair.
I am glad that someone is up on her 60's and 70's popular culture! The phrase first appeared in a song titled "Almost Cut My Hair" written by David Crosby and recorded on the 1970 album "Déjà Vu," which is widely regarded as one of the best rock albums of the era. The first verse goes as follows:
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Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It's gettin kinda long
I could have said it was in my way
But I didn't and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
Cause I feel like I owe it to someone
Judging from the photo linked in Post #15, it seems that very few male Oberlin students have 60's style long hair nowadays. These guys look up-to-date and stylish.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:54 PM   #36
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Yes, indeed. Thanks fifty. And my point was that it wasn't an insult to Oberlin or its students. We called ourselves freaks with pride. There were the straights (bah) and the freaks (yay!)
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