Online Degree vs. Traditional

Roger_Dooley · 07-31-2005, 02:45 PM

To get the ball rolling in this new forum, it would be interesting to get some feedback from individuals who have either earned an online degree or are in a position that hires degreed individuals. We know from surveys that the credibility and acceptance of online degrees varies - what has your experience been? (Lets limit the discussion to legitimate degrees that require a typical set of courses to be completed; it's more or less a given that mail order diplomas or degree programs without academic requirements will fool relatively few employers.) If you are a degree holder, do you mention that you earned it online on your resume? Have employers grilled you about it, or accepted it without comment?

If you are a hiring manager, how do you view online degrees? Does your company have a policy on them? How do other managers feel about them?

HImom · 07-31-2005, 11:32 PM

I have read that the University of Maryland has both on-line and in-person degree programs that are well respected. I have also read about schools that allow students to take both on-line and in-person classes during the same semester. This can be very helpful to students who have difficulty with scheduling or other issues.

Thanks for this forum. I am very interested in finding out more about highly selective colleges which allow both on-line and in-person classes in the same semester, as I think it is a helpful option, especially for patients who have health challenges that may cause them to miss many days of class.

kenshi · 08-02-2005, 01:07 PM

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scma · 08-02-2005, 07:24 PM

Bentley allows web-based and traditional classes. The web-based classes run simultaneously with the traditional class (some students are sitting in the classroom, and some are there via web). You also have the advantage of playing back the webcast if you miss a class.

overanxious mother · 08-03-2005, 06:35 AM

My best friend has an online MBA from University of Phoenix, and she has to "defend" its legitimacy regularly...she's currently applying to law schools (she's waitlisted at two, rejected at all the others to which she applied) and despite her straight As, impressive work background (she's middle-aged and returning to school after years in the work force), and solid LSAT scores, it seems almost as if her online degree is a negative. I know we discussed leaving it off her application...she got very defensive w/me about that...

Now that my S is leaving for college and I'm entering "empty nest" I've given some thought to earning an online degree, too...but my friend's experience makes me think I'd be better served by dealing w/the logistics of earning a degree from a brick-and-mortar school, even if I take a course or two online...

Roger_Dooley · 08-04-2005, 10:00 AM

I've seen quite a bit of defensiveness on the part of online degree holders, though perhaps that has been because online degrees are questioned so often. If your friend had earned her MBA at a local college of no particular distinction, she probably would have had few questions about it; no interviewer would have weighted it as heavily as an MBA from Harvard or Columbia, but they probably wouldn't probe for details.

The challenge for the recruiter is to understand the rigor (or lack thereof) in the online degree program. It's a new enough area that many may have difficulty in distinguishing between legitimate and demanding programs and those with looser standards.

It may take the entry of "brand name" colleges to legitimize online degrees in the minds of recruiters. If a candidate showed up with an online degree from Yale (not yet available, unfortunately), the recruiter would most likely presume that reasonably high standards were upheld in granting the degree. I don't think we are that far away from all the top schools offering a variety of distance degrees.

momof1 · 08-04-2005, 12:45 PM

I earned an Master of Education and Human Development in Educational Technology Leadership through The George Washington University. I have had many positive comments about the rigor of the program vs. that of other schools offering similar degrees, and the degree has really aided me in securing consulting positions with the Alaska Department of Education, becoming a Cadre Trainer for MarcoPolo Internet Content for the Classroom, and establishing a business with my husband.

As I proceeded through the program, it was necessary to visit my school district main office and the techs there were very pleased at the projects I had to complete and the level of preparation I had. I could easily work downtown if I wanted to give up my summers off (no way!) and I am called on a few times a year to conduct training.

So, to summarize, the exclusively online delivery of the degree has actually been a positive, given that the delivery method tied in with my degree area. How much easier it is to design online courses, delivery methods and online communities having experienced it all firsthand. Perhaps that would make my experience the exception, but I thought it applicable here nonetheless.

ThomasH32 · 08-06-2005, 01:21 PM

I completely agree. I've actually known folks who received their degrees on-line. Employers were very impressed, due to the fact that obtaining an online degree is, in a sense, even more rigorous than going to class because you have to be EVEN MORE responsible and motivated/dedicated to do your work all on your own at home.

Roger_Dooley · 08-07-2005, 07:32 PM

I suspect the GWU brand name didn't hurt either, momof1. Plus, as you note, the area of your degree was particularly suitable to a new-tech approach to learning. Glad it's worked out well for you...

momof1 · 08-14-2005, 02:26 AM

Mr. Dooley,

I believe that you are correct, the GWU brand had a lot to do with the acceptability of my online degree. I believe, also, that it also points up the fact that it is extremely important that you DO select a rigorous, hightly respected program that is closely aligned with your goals if you want it to be an advantage in the workplace.

If, however, you choose a program that is "easy" and doesn't require a great deal from you in terms of effort, time, or money, well, you get out what you put in.

Roger_Dooley · 08-18-2005, 11:11 AM

I guess that's true of many things in life, momof1 - you get out what you put in. The fear that some have, though, is that they may put in a lot of effort to earn an online degree and then have it not be respected by employers.

I guess some key factors would be,
1) Well recognized name, particularly a bricks & mortar university
2) Rigorous program with controlled testing and good prof/peer interaction.
3) Optional (or required) campus participation.

Most employers wouldn't know about #3 unless the applicant discussed it, but it might add credibility. Some executive MBA programs, for example, meet periodically in person but do most of the work offsite.

It's a pretty good bet if the degree is from someplace you never heard of and they are willing to waive most courses based on your life experience, the degree won't meet the sniff test.

merlinjones · 07-23-2006, 01:15 PM

Whenever I speak of the fact that I am currently an online student. I always say that I opted to finish my BS on line because I did not desire to move where the University is located and that I am grateful for the on line degree option. That normally hushs folks up.

However, since my degree with look like everyone else's I am toying with the idea of just not even mentioning that I finished my BS on line. But, I do not yet know how that will work out. Where I live, folks are easily five years behind the times with things that are more modern with schooling.

When I earn my BS, I am thinking of just stapling a copy of my degree to my resume. Would that look weird?

dstmars · 08-16-2006, 02:12 PM

I earned a BS in Business Management at the University of Phoenix and thought it was an excellent program. I'm a working adult so the program fit my needs perfectly. FYI, there is very little about the program that is online. They do offer programs that are 100% online but I chose their in-class option. Class is held once a week from 6 to 10 p.m. One thing that really impressed me was the high quality of their instructors. They are all professionals in their field and hold Masters degrees from top universities. The classrooms are all top of the line with full A/V capabilities in each.
The online portion of the program is only used to check grades, order books, download weekly assignments and syllabus, organize and update your class schedule, and they have an awesome online library that has literally everything you could ever want.
They also have an online writing lab and math lab where you can send in your homework before it's due and they'll check it for grammar and punctuation.
I thought the program was very rigorous. I also got the same books that traditional university students get and there is a ton of homework, for those of you who think it's a degree mill. Every week one individual paper is due (ranging from 350-2500 words depending on the course). In addition, one team paper is due (ranging from 1500-2500 words). In addition there is a team presentation due with powerpoint slides and assigned reading each week which is then discussed in class the following week
I have to tell everyone that this program was no walk in the park. This was 4 years of very hard work.
When I started the program there was roughly 40 people in my class. By the time I graduated only 4 of them made it all the way through. Most of them dropped out by the second or third class and some of them couldn't pass the math courses.
Over the course of my studies I was grouped with other students, many of whom were sent by employers such as Disney and Warner Bros.
After graduation, I picked up some additional courses in marketing at UCLA Extension mainly to see for myself if there was any difference in the quality of education at a brick-and-mortor university than a so-called online university and I'm happy to report that I noticed no significant differences. The only thing better about the UCLA experience is their beautiful campus.
The classes are essentially the same.

AlphaFlight · 08-24-2006, 02:50 PM

I took an on-line US history class and I will never do it again. We were forced to discuss the material on a message board like this, well it was horrible. Many people would include whole responses of other students in with theirs, so I was almost impossible to detect where the new thought was and how it related or even if it did relate to the new thought. I complained to the instructor and he said, "no one else has complained or thought the interaction format needs to be changed or improved". Then after the class is over, I was told that more than half the class cheated, on assignments and tests.

My main problem is with non-technical instruction, though I am not sure how one can get a BS in Chemistry or Biology online. I learn from my fellow classmates and from the instructor. I can't do that in an isolated environment.

HImom · 08-24-2006, 07:44 PM

Quality, of course, can vary GREATLY between programs & instructors. On-line courses is an important option for folks who are otherwise isolated & unable to attend school due to geographical, time, and/or other constraints. It's also a great way for folks to be able to supplement the materials/courses othewise available to them. Johns Hopkins Center for Gifted & Talented Youth offers some courses on-line. My kids' HS is starting to explore this as a way of reaching more students--we shall see how it goes (too late for us, as our D is graduating in 2008).