The official Pakistani Thread for the class of 2013

[theGame]

Karpov: Never met a Pakistani afraid of saying hes Pakistani? Haha. Now that's a first. I would imagine you're are a newbie on CC..and to the Pakistani psyche in general. Don't you know that most Pakistanis just want to get outta their country and attain foreign nationalities. Want prove? Our GNP.

To the thread: Don't criticize my remarks, bros. They may be harsh but they reveal a fact we all acknowledge in our hearts. It's high time we think loud.

[Flibb]

@theGame: C'mon lets promote free speech. I agree with your opinions, but I think everyone has a right to criticize. No matter how logically deductive or true your points of view are, people might hold other opinions!...And did I just criticize?

@Karpov: I have met ALOT of pakis who won't want to even disclose their identities. A friend of mine, for example, is going to Germany, and he'll be telling people that he is from India just cuz he is too 'embarrassed' by the media image of Pakistan. I know it sounds crazy, but yes people are afraid. I for one am not a fan of such people. Then there are these pakis literally begging for a foreign nationality, 'living as second class citizens' abroad, just to get away from their homeland. There are the kids of pakis living abroad who can't even tell others of their 'humble origins', let alone thinking of returning. I hate all this, but this is a fact. I hope this would change!

[Flibb]

And yes, there are many pakis (like me for instance), who are proud! YAAY! There are ALOT of them, again , specially the middle class men. So again, we can't say for sure whether most pakis are patriots or not, but the fact is that there equal majorities of both exist! Looking forward to more paki participation ! Come out people!

[khan91]

@Flibb.really fond of blowing your own trumpet, eh?. Dont jump to conclusions and please DONT generalize. I'm not condoning what "those-claiming-not-to-be-paki" pakistani ppl do, but you have to put yourself in their shoes and think why they do it. Anyways, that's an altogether different and un-needed topic here.

To everyone else, let's not make this a 'bashing' thread, avoid the negativity. How about we discuss REAL matters of importance. Post questions and stuff.

So let me start off, Isnt Heroes bloody awesome!?

[Flibb]

@khan91: I'll let others answer your question, but did I tell you that your argument makes no sense? Karpov said all pakis are patriotic, proud of revealing their identity. I, on the other had, said that no, there are many who are not proud of telling others that they are from Pakistan. Not 'why' they do this or if there is anything 'wrong' with it. I am just presenting my point of view... And PLEASE don't laugh this argument off, as you are so fond of doing. Think what you are trying to prove and then talk...

Anyways, where are the rest?

[theGame]

I hope free speech is respected. I, for one, embrace it in all its entirety

khan91: It's time to think loud; this may be -ve but is true. Whatever our brothers do to:

1. Get foreign nationalities;
2. Show themselves as Indians; and
3. Forget their roots

is entirely unjustifiable. No kinda "whys" can vindicate em. Yeah - you heard it. And - let me voice my opinion again please - flibb wasn't showing off.

Btw, how can Heroes be labeled a "REAL matter of importance", eh? Enlighten me.

[nrmncpr]

Interesting discussion you guys have got going here. For what it is worth, I dont believe that we are at all justified in so simplistically judging people who get foreign nationalities. I think it is rational to expect people to do what is in their best interest and not hold out because of some sense of loyalty to their place of birth especially when many don't even feel a cultural connection to their homeland. Perhaps if we had a well defined Pakistani identity this would be different. Moreover, we share so much in common with the Indian identity that it is not surprising to see a Pakistani try to pass himself of as an Indian.

[khan91]

tsk tsk, thegame...look what all this college app process has done to your sense of humour and wit. And for the thicker people out there(Flibb, i'm looking at you), the Heroes thing was supposed to be sarcastic.

P.S: Flibb and I know each other well, hence our heated 'arguments'

[khan91]

@ theGame
"I hope free speech is respected. I, for one, embrace it in all its entirety"........ "No kinda "whys" can vindicate em. Yeah - you heard it."

When you contradict yourself like that, it kinda voids whatever you wrote.

Anyways, please this is not a 'criticize each other' thread, google it you'll find loads of them. Lets focus on the important issues.

yo, theGame, since you got in at gettysburg...why dont you give out some advice or tips about the process. finaid and stuff.

[Karpov]

yes the game why don't you just stick to tht. lolz. i know the game and hence my bitterness towards his professed views.
someone said about a pakistani identity. I could define pakistan right here for u if u want me to, in what ever terms you'd like me to. i just meant that the game should not bring that topic up. i stated a fact, which neither contradicted nor corroborated his point of view. what i meant was this: his point of view puts me at unease. although i have proven to him several times that the said point of view is incorrect, he just keeps on coming at it again and changing the words. HE is the game after all.
about having things in common with India. Those of us who live in Pakistan could hardly agree. The Only thing we have in common with them is a border dispute.
Heores is a pioneering tv series, albeit the third season rambles a little. The Game you better not attack it even if haven't done so already.

[Karpov]

Anyway, The Game is much more than just an accepted student. He is perhaps the one man in our country who really knows what it takes to get in. His knowledge of admission stuff is scary at times. He has invented and successfully implemented strategies other international students could hardly fathom. I urge you all to seek guidance from him.

[Karpov]

o and nrmcpr i compoletely agree with you. The Game does too. In his defeated attempts to defend himself he at times makes these incoherent broad generalizations

[theGame]

* claps at the crowd of CCers wearing green jackets *

Bravo! Bravo!! (is this humor too sadistic again, khan91?)

@nrmncpr: What a reasonable argument. But let me add: Your explanation serves to enlighten those of us who seek to examine Pakistan's passage and now dwelling as a failed state. Too few nationals? No. Too many emigrants? Nah. Just plain double-nationals, ppl.

And for the record, India doesn't allow double-nationalities. And guess where they are now? To underestimate, Indian officials can now humiliate Britain's foreign minister. Ever heard of Milliband?

@khan91: I am not contradicting myself; that is why opinion. I think nothing can justify my fellow Pakistanis' disloyalty. You may think nothing can justify their loyalty. Just plain curves in reverse - if you ask me.

@karpov: Shall I recall Shakespeare? "Nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so." So my point of view isn't incorrect; it's just my point of view.

And I can't thank for complements I don't deserve. Throw some of these at the queen.

[khan91]

David Miliband, Shakespeare, references to the Queen...are you Rowan Atkinson in disguise?

Enough of the unnecessary talk people/. Can we discuss something regarding college apps? Financial aid forms....
theGame..the EFC you mentioned on your ISFAA, did Gettysburg take your word for it and provide the rest of the money. Or did they gauge your requirement themselves?

[Flibb]

Rowan Atkinson? NO WAY! Please....khan91, Rowan Atkinson is different...

Yeah 'Englighten ' us about Financial Aid, as we are already done with our apps, so can't really ask for much help about them. Well, unless you know about a few cards that we can play AFTER we have submitted the apps

And khan91, I don't know why, is acting like one of those 'lets get to work' guys, so please don't let his advice deter you from writing anything you want to! Nothing is unnecessary!