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11-15-2010, 01:45 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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It should be no affirmative action of any base (race, gender or whatever) in any application process. It should be based on best qualifications. I know that it will never be the case. So, discussion is futile.
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11-15-2010, 01:46 PM
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#32 | | Senior Member
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Well, that's not exactly the way to put it, since there are more women in college than men now, I think. I think it might be accurate to say that women are disadvantaged in gaining admission to selective colleges.
| I think this is more of an issue and mid-tier liberal arts colleges. If you look at the gender breakdown at the top end of the SAT scores, males are not lagging behind. I don't think it's easier for males to get into ivies. Remember that, in statistics, the average doesn't necessarily represent the tail.
And of course, it is not true for engineering colleges either.
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11-15-2010, 01:55 PM
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The number of applications go up every year to the University of California system. (In response to the poster saying that students are not choosing to attend the University of Washington because of 'too many Asians'.) That's not the case in California.
| I do know anecdotally that some high schoolers around here in CA do refer to certain UC campuses as "too Asian" and thus do not choose them. UCI is referred to as "University of Chinese Immigrants," UCLA as "University of Caucasians Lost Among Asians," UCSD is "University of the Socially Dead." I have not heard of a nickname for Cal, and it is still at the top of most kids' lists, regardless of race.
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11-15-2010, 02:03 PM
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Tatin, I will be interested to see what spring 2012 admissions brings to the composition of U.C.'s, when the SAT Subject Tests will no longer be required. The Regents instituted this change with the express intent to widen the qualified student body to reflect the broad talent of a diversified state. I've posted previously some misgivings about the change in policy, but I am certain that it will change the ethnic/racial composition in some manner.
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11-15-2010, 02:04 PM
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Bay, Berkeley is referred to as The University of California at Beijing.
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11-15-2010, 02:22 PM
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When I first came to California 25 years ago, I heard a street performer on Venice Beach, call UCLA, University of Caucasians Lost Among Asians.
It's not a new thing.
And the nicknames haven't diminished the number of applicants.
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11-15-2010, 02:44 PM
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As an Asian myself, I really do find a lot of the discussions and generalizations about Asians in this thread highly inaccurate, bordering upon offensive.
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11-15-2010, 02:55 PM
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^Which ones, xrCalico?
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11-15-2010, 03:02 PM
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I too am interested in what you find as in accurate or offensive.
Additionally, if you find it offensive do you not realize that this issue needs to be addressed if it is accepted as the norm in the US?
To me this seems from your position damn if I do and damn if I don't!
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11-15-2010, 03:11 PM
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As an Asian myself, I really do find a lot of the discussions and generalizations about Asians in this thread highly inaccurate, bordering upon offensive
| Welcome to the world of URM's on CC.
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11-15-2010, 03:13 PM
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""Berkeley is referred to as The University of California at Beijing.""
I know for a fact, that there have been graduate engineering classes conducted in Chinese, when both the professors and all the students are Chinese.
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11-15-2010, 03:28 PM
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25 yrs ago when Bullet attended UMDCP the joke was it stood for:
University of Mostly Chinese People...that was back in the late 80's.
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11-15-2010, 03:41 PM
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Here's a quick solution: If certain students, or groups of students, are ALL about academic achievement, with little to no regard for "being a college student", why not set up on-line colleges where academics is everything? Heck, they wouldn't even need a campus. Let those more "well-rounded" students attend (literally) colleges with traditional campuses with all the trimmings that go with them.
Any takers?
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11-15-2010, 03:57 PM
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^Or maybe we should set up colleges with no classes for people who don't care about academics that much. Maybe they can listen to lectures on their headphones in between parties or something if they feel like it. Alternatively, it seems like the people who care about class less would do fine with their classes being on-line.
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11-15-2010, 04:22 PM
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^ Of course, 'two sides to every coin'...
By your reasoning, colleges might have to dramatically alter their way of being, which would be okay if higher education weren't such a big business. I mean, what would happen to the economy if colleges pared down and actually returned to their only legitimate mandate -- education?! No frills, no sprawling campuses with all manner of amenities, no big time sports, no support staff numbering in the thousands... oops, the unemployment numbers just went up a percent or two...
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