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11-07-2008, 08:37 PM
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| Obama to restart slavery.
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The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
| Uncompensated forced work (for the Middle School & High School programs). Really not a whole lot else to say about that one. America Serves | Change.gov | 
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11-07-2008, 08:54 PM
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It doesn't sound much different from the required volunteerism already present in many high schools and middle schools, which I don't believe people have voiced much concern over until now. Maybe I'm wrong. I think you are reaching a bit here. Enriching activities required by schools (or required for schools to require) are not what I'd ever classify as slavery, unless you think school in general is slavery. After all, school itself is required (or forced) work for no pay except personal enrichment.
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11-07-2008, 08:56 PM
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Mr Payne - you are aptly named!
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11-07-2008, 08:56 PM
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To compare this program to the horrific injustice that was slavery is disgusting.
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11-07-2008, 08:56 PM
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A difference between a national directive and something for local schools?
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11-07-2008, 08:58 PM
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Since when is community service slavery? Yes, a disgusting analogy.
My brother served two years in the Peace Corps. He never felt like a slave.
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11-07-2008, 08:59 PM
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Setting a goal to do community service is slavery? I'm just stunned at your attitude.
Encouraging kids to do volunteer work is a great idea. In my daughter's school, they started doing volunteer and community service in the 6th graade. The kids love it and get so much from the experience. They get work experience. They get out in the real world. They learn to make a difference early on.
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11-07-2008, 08:59 PM
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That's right, you lazy a$s. It's time to drop some pounds.
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11-07-2008, 09:00 PM
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Mr. Payne, I'd value your opinion a whole lot more if you simply argued whether or not community service should be required or volunteer. As soon as you likened it to slavery, you lost many of us.
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11-07-2008, 09:00 PM
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To compare this program to the horrific injustice that was slavery is disgusting.
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Slavery is the systematic exploitation of labour. As a social-economic system, slavery is a legal or informal institution under which a person is compelled to work for another.
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11-07-2008, 09:01 PM
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Mr. Payne, I'd value your opinion a whole lot more if you simply argued whether or not community service should be required or volunteer. As soon as you likened it to slavery, you lost many of us.
| Required work is pretty slavish. That's my point.
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11-07-2008, 09:01 PM
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Since when is community service slavery? Yes, a disgusting analogy.
My brother served two years in the Peace Corps. He never felt like a slave.
| I'm saying that *forced* community service is slavery. So this entire post is irrelevant.
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11-07-2008, 09:02 PM
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Setting a goal to do community service is slavery? I'm just stunned at your attitude.
| A goal is fine. A requirement is not. This is a very important difference.
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11-07-2008, 09:05 PM
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Mr. Payne, I don't agree that volunteerism required in return for graduating or grade completion is slavery. It's just another form of school assignment. It just happens to have the added benefit of helping society more immediately than writing an essay or completing a test.
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11-07-2008, 09:05 PM
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I find it interesting that the part of the Second Amendment which grants individuals rights is emblazoned on walls and bumper stickers, but that other part - the part about "militias" - you know, that work obligation imposed by law on all able bodied men in defense of the nation, generally for little or no pay - has been conveniently overlooked.
"Ask not what you can do for your country, ask only how little you can get away with giving back for all you have been given." - right, Mr. Payne?
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