Cuse0507

So it would be the equivalent to shooting a Code Pink protester because you don't like them protesting in front of recruiting offices, then. And that's not politically motivated?

You'll agree that Dr. Tiller's murder shouldn't have been a big deal then?

Then he could have used an illegal gun. Or, if you are willing to shred the rest of the Constitution, then you could have taken away the protester's free speech rights and he never would have been in front of the school.

Just like that Martin Luther King Jr. guy. What a troublemaker.

IBfootballer

I am so sick and tired of people having a problem with combining their First and Second amendment rights.

lawl

jym626

Comparing a prolife wingnut to MLK jr? Thats rich.

Oh sure, probably trying to compare nonviolence, blah blah blah. I don't recall MLK being arrested for stalking, like this guy.

Cuse0507

Well, you were the one trying to somehow disparage the victim of a murder by bringing up his prior record. Activists usually get arrested-doesn't mean that they deserve to be killed or are any less of a human being.

Yeah, he definitely deserved to die for stalking. Wait, what? I thought liberals were against the death penalty.

jym626

Putting words in other posters mouth are you?? Was just pointing out that the thread could have many titles that were accurate, in response to the discussion in posts 7&8. Thats a pretty big leap to those other conclusions you try to make. Way big. The "sign guy" protester got shot by some deranged guy who had 3 targets. We have no idea why he targeted "the sign guy" as he is called. Maybe the sign guy littered his (the shooters) lawn ( using this as a silly example- as one of the charges against the sign guyin the past was for littering). We simply don't know yet. No point in jumping to these ridiculous conclusions.

Cuse0507

Why would I title the thread that way? That would be pretty misleading, and would be classless as well. Mr. Pouillon's citations had no impact on this case, and are not relevant to the story.

Actually, we do. He didn't like the signs-

Police: Shooting suspect offended by anti-abortion material - CNN.com

thebigcheese121

I am an Indian so please pardon me if I might say something that is inflamatory by American standards.

I don't get the pro-life side of the argument regarding abortion. I think that abortion is good because it stops getting unwanted children into this world which is already grossly overpopulated. There is no bad side to abortion that I can think of.

Cuse0507

Pro-lifers believe that abortion is an act of murder, as they consider an unborn child a human being. You can imagine why they would be against it.

jym626

The title I suggested is no more or less misleading than the title of this thread. He wasnt shot dead "at a protest" (implies a large group of people disagreeing). He was an N of 1. A guy with a sign, who did things like this in the past. Not saying he should have been shot. No one should be shot. Maybe this whack job shooter is another good example of why there should be better control over background checks of gun owners. I am surprised this guy didn't end up as an example in one of those gun control threads that pop up on cc. To put that sign guy in the same sentence as MLK jr-- thats distasteful to say the least, and you know it. The sign guy's multiple citations, including stalking, were for troublesome, illegal behaviors associated with his personal belief that he chose to try to foist on others. Seems pretty relevant to the reason he apparently got shot.

Cuse0507

He was shot dead while protesting. I'm pretty sure most people considered what he was doing a protest before he was killed.

The bottom line is he was killed because he was protesting.

Not really. I'm not trying to say that Mr. Pouillon was the next MLK...I'm merely stating that you can't judge someone (particularly an activist) by their arrest record, because most good activists have some run-ins with the law. I don't like Cindy Sheehan, but I certainly wouldn't appreciate it if someone shot her.

jym626

Not going to debate this with you cuse. People shouldnt get shot. Lunatics shouldnt have guns. But gee, if the sign guy can stand outside a school and project his beliefs at students coming and going from school, yet we can't show the president's education speech at a public school without a bunch of parents getting all tied up in knots about it and challenging the school administration-- what the heck is this country coming to?

Cuse0507

I don't see your point. Are you implying that you believe that no parents were upset about the protest in front of the school? I highly doubt that was the case. Perhaps a better question is what is this country coming to when people can get shot and killed simply for exercising their first amendment rights?

PrincipalV

No, the shooter of your sacred pro life guy is some deadbeat. The shooter of Tiller is some right wing lunatic.

A lot of people buy and use a gun because they can, if it was illegal that number would be far less.

Here, you are wrong. Abortion is one thing I change views about a lot, one of my more conservative aspects. There always is a bad side to such acts. (I am still, for the most part, pro choice, though)...

I don't know... Ask the gun toters at the America Rifle Association.

Cuse0507

Ah, so the double standards come out. Figured.

If it was illegal only criminals would own guns. What a great world that would be. Thankfully our constitution prevents that from happening.

Yes, they are clearly to blame for this left-wing loon.

jym626

Yup-- people like Dr. Tiller and Dr. Slepian

And why are you calling this disturbed shooter "left wing"? He is a disturbed person. Don't know if he had any political leanings. Read that his third intended victim was a real estate agent. And some are saying he is schizophrenic. Sad.