Saugus

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LOL. 51% is the lowest of any modern president...

Yeah, wait until your health insurer screws you over. Then you'll see the importance of these "government programs".

Go back to driving a bus.

57% is shockingly low. I mean, Mr. Bean would make a better president than George W. Bush.

busdriver11

Hey, don't insult Mr. Bean....he's great! And plus, isn't he gay-or is he just British (not that there's anything wrong with that). Just kidding, don't take offense!

Actually, thanks to my union and mostly my company, I do have excellent health insurance. The government provided health benefits I had in the military really, really sucked. Trust me, you do not want that. I would rather have my health insurer (a company that most people are very happy with) delegating my benefits than be jobless and hoping for Uncle Sam to take care of it. Though who knows, if things keep going like they are it just might come to that.

bulletandpima

I chuckled when I saw your name busdriver, and thought Saugus was a fool by telling you to drive a bus.

Here's the reason why, my first thought was you were either Navy or AF since that is a common term for airline pilots. I never thought you were actually driving a bus in NYC, your last post about the military has confirmed it.

I agree, tricare which is being used as a model is horrific compared to our Aetna plan. Bullet and I are pretty sure we will be one of those taxed because of our Cadillac plan. Our cadillac plan costs less each month than our tricare. Our private has no referrals, it has 100% vision, dental, orthodontics and prescriptions. Our "GOVT" insurance has referrals, 50% for vision, dental, co-pay for prescriptions and no orthodontics. The difference in cost $8 a month. We keep our tri-care for the catastrophic event and no other reason.

Saugus, before you make an accusation about health insurers, sit down with your folks and discuss their health insurance program...ask them are they going to do the public option? As you have stated multiple times you are incredibly wealthy, thus they probably have the cadillac plan, ask them how they feel about being taxed? It is so easy for you to be arrogant since this does not affect you in anyway because you are not paying for one thing. It is easy for someone who has yet to pay one penny in taxes to take the utopian belief since they do not live in the "real" world.

Off topic...Busdriver I am taking you were AF since Mr. Bean is very popular in the UK, and typically busdrivers from the military did a jaunt at a certain place there. For me I am a Blackadder fan! Hugh Laurie started there before becoming House!

busdriver11

bulletandpima, yep, I guess we're pretty easy to identify. It is a really, really big bus. Actually in 10 minutes I have to go start my shift, learning how to drive that bus from the other seat. Surprising how different it feels. And if I told you I was tired all the time but my paycheck is still looking stable, you'd probably know exactly where I work! Yep, AF, but only spent enough time at Mildenhall to sample some of the delicious English lagers. I do love Hugh Laurie.

I had heard that tri care was horrendous, badly managed, very user unfriendly. My govt run military medical accomodations were pretty terrible over the years. Waiting 3 hours for each appointment, on average. Our first son only cost us $8.00 (have to pay for that tasty box lunch in the hospital), but they told us natural childbirth only-no drugs, we have no anesthesiologists available, tough luck. Oh by the way, we're busy now so call us when you see the baby's head coming out! We had to beg them to come into the delivery room. I guess you get what you pay for. Now I'm going to have to figure out who you are. Navy, fighter pilot, current airline pilot?

member

I dind it pretty funny, seeing how there polices aren't all to different. Obama has justified most of bushes actions, by talking the very same actions.

bulletandpima

I guess you are going from the left seat to the right. Have a safe flight. And yes, it is pretty easy since the majors are having issues.

For non military, that is a true story, I went through the exact same thing with my 1st 2, only when I was forced to go off base for our 3rd (OBTW was told that if I had any medical issues I would be forced to find a doc on the economy and pay the co-apy...why? Because I was pregnant). When I had our 3rd on the economy I was given drugs and because I never was offered them my body shut down during labor, and I endured a 9 hour labor on oxygen, my 1st was born in 3 hrs, 2nd born in 47 minutes with no drugs.

However, busdriver I can still beat you.

I was in labor with DS1, they turned to us and said, we have GALE winds (UK) of 90 mph, so we are on minimal staff, and can't help you along in your labor, since breaking your water is elective....go walk the halls.

In labor with DD, and had a midwife...they broke my water, and she went in distress within 6 mins, they told me to basically cross my legs until the doc could get there for a C section. The doc never made it in time. Luckily she was born with no problems.

So for those of you who believe the military has this great health plan, these are 2 posters that can give you the horrors. The worst part, had their decisions resulted in a bad outcome, we could not sue for malpractice.

I find it so interesting that the people who want public option were the same people screaming how horrible Walter Reed was treating our wounded soldiers. What exactly do you believe your treatment will be like if it is based on the military

busdriver11

Wow, you're right-you have me beat!!! By a long shot, so no more telling war stories after hearing that. Just imagine if you had needed a C section. You and your baby would probably be dead. I have no idea why people think the government, who does such a horrendous job with military and civilian care (I realize there are exceptions, particularly for the VA) would do such a great job for all of us. When you can't sue, press charges, everything is rationed, people are low paid and facilities are bad....why do we want to copy that? That is an incredible story you have and sorry to say, I believe every single word.

Actually, going from right to left-so I am one of the rare few with a smile (albeit tired and harassed one) on my face.

MiamiDAP

We are comparing american president to somebody who deeply hates american people and country and trying to change it to his own liking to fullfill his own political ambition, while keeping it in secret behind closed doors and implicitly call us all stupid at any ocasion that he has. They are not in the same league to be compared. Futile attempt!

ELY

^^^^^^what?

mypsych97

this is a rather moot point; Bush didn't run against Obama, and Cheney didn't run against Biden.

BigG

No the actual physical men were not direct opponets. But the ideals each represents are engaged in a battle for the American soul, the "hearts and minds" of the American people.

Occasionally one or the other will gain the upper hand but then "screw up" and lose that advantage.

The only reason we have any freedom at all is because of the errors of the powerful.

EMM1

How the mighty have fallen. One year after the arrival of the messiah, he has fallen from the second coming of the combination of Lincoln and FDR to "better than Bush (i.e., not the Great Satan).

ELY

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I heard someone on a Sunday a.m. show say about President Obama: He may not walk on water, but he's the best swimmer America's got. Great imagery & true.

busdriver11

Clever imagery. Though I think he's just treading water when he pretended he was going to be an Olympic swimmer. Listening to those great speeches, even I was starting to believe. Until it became obvious that he was just another politician.

Mr Payne

America is going down the tubes for sure if the best we have is a lawyer.