zoosermom

It's beyond outrageous that we continue to pretend that there isn't a problem with Islam. A woman here tried to slit her husband's throat because, by her own admission, he was not a good Muslim, but the Islamic-enabling organization hereabouts decried the newspaper's insensitivity for saying so. It's enough now. Enough and more than enough. How many Americans to be murdered? How many Muslim women have to be killed in the name of honor (where's the thread about that gorgeous woman run down like a dog by her father) before we get honest. No more.

purpleflurp

"As for whether or not a shooter on a military base was a muslim having trouble with the idea of going to war against other muslims? I think that's relevent. Why would it not be?"

Yes. Especially when his cousin was just interviewed and called Hasan a "good American" (and verified that he was Muslim from birth, not a convert). It's relevant. It's illogical to say that it's not.

geeps20

according to an interview with his cousin on Fox, he was always Muslim...not converted.

Also reported he thought Muslims should rise up against their aggressors and Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims.

romanigypsyeyes

Reported, reported, reported. It was also REPORTED that he was dead. People, please let this story have a few facts and stop speculating like the media. That's all, I'm done. I'm out of here.

jazzymom

When a story is breaking this quickly, with networks interviewing whoever they can get ahold of, including unverifed sources, it really is premature of you to describe the media as "downplaying" or ignoring that the shooter is a Muslim.

The comments that the shooter made about Muslims were attributed to one co-worker and the interview apparently was given to one network, Fox. You can't expect other news organizations to start quoting this source, who they did not independently interview, on such a fast-moving story. Unless a reporter/network has that source themselves, they're not going to risk using that info until it's verified in subsequent investigation and interviews.

Early in the reporting then, it was not mentioned that he was Muslim --- and the interwiew with Hasan's cousin who confirmed he was Muslim from birth did not come until later in the day --- because at the time it was not relevant. No one knew what the motivation for the shooting was. And the speculation about Muslim-against-Muslim feelings as a reason is just that for now, from a single source that only was interviewed by one network.

The Fox interview with the co-worker may prove to be correct, and if it does, then Hasan's Muslim identity does become relevant and will be reported and fully discussed by all media.

geeps20

^ You think the colonel was lying?...or did your news stations not interview him?

zoosermom

The AP is discussing his Muslim identity. Is that good enough or does it have to be Keith Oldermann, himself?

poetgrl

Roman--Why are you so upset? The muslims who want to kill us would certainly want to slaughter a bisexual woman, for sure. Look people, wake up. I'm a liberal in many things but it doesn't make me an idiot. How on earth can any woman defend the muslims? Look at what they do to women, even in our own country? Honor killings, running over thier daughters with cars? It's insane and yet some on the far left would defend their "way of life...." Some call it cultural and in the same breath will deride Christian fundamentalists in this country. It's a bizarre strain of blindness. Fundamentalism, extremism is just dangerous, in all it's many forms. Why do you so badly WANT him to not be an enemy of the country? Would that somehow make it better? NO! It would not.

romanigypsyeyes

Ok, that was a personal attack so I am back. I am NOT defending him. I am saying not to jump the gun.

Do NOT accuse me of defending him. Never ever ever misconstrue my intentions. That was a very low blow.

Actually, I have no words. I'm speechless at this point. All I said was that I am reserving judgement until there is evidence. Good day.

zoosermom

It's really scary to think that there are people who would kill you in a heartbeat, isn't it? Scarier still to think that they're nice professionals, like psychologists or teachers or soldiers and they could run you down in the street, bomb you or shoot you dead without batting an eyelash and you'd never see it coming, isn't it?

poetgrl

Roman, there was no attack. I was seriously asking you a question? Why the knee jerk reaction on your part? As a feminist, I seriously cannot understand why feminists do not deride the muslim world communities loudly. I know I do.

zoosermom

My boss is a very liberal democrat. He is also a Muslim from Pakistan. He tells me all the time that he doesn't understand why so many of his kindred spirits on the left don't understand that the Muslim extremists really do want to kill them and that there is no possibility of making peace with them. He is the first to say that most Muslims are peace-loving but there's something about the religion's teachings and cultures that attracts those extremists.

romanigypsyeyes

Don't tell me about senseless murder. I lost someone very dear to me in this war.

I was just raised innocent until proven guilty. If he is reported as Muslim and that he did this as a terrorist attack then I will deal with it then. In the meantime, I am not going to jump because of his last name.

I am against fundamentalist Islam. I always have been. I am not going to demonize every single middle-Eastern person because of the fringe elements. Sorry, it is not my nature to generalize. It just so happens to be that one of the nicest people I know is a devout Muslim. Guess what? His daughter is one of the most free-spirited people I know. Wears mini-skirts and bold makeup. And they're from Iraq. I just choose not to demonize a whole religion just because of the media.

I'm going to make an parallel. I have a pit bull. If I listened to every media report, I'd be petrified of them. She is a medical service dog.

I'm much too emotionally involved in this now, so I will be back later.

zoosermom

Because it's hard on the sanity to admit that there really is a monster in the closet.

poetgrl

This monster isn't in the closet. That's my point. It is in full view and everyone is running around it acting like... Isn't it so nice the way we can get along with Iran while they build the bomb. The world LIKES us so much better now (shhhhh. Don't tell anyone they aren't going to do a darn thing about any of this.) We're so well liked. Tra-la-la. It's idiotic.