romanigypsyeyes

There isn't a problem with Islam. There is a problem with Muslim extremists and the culture in many of these countries. It's like saying ALL Christians were bad during the crusades or ALL Germans were bad during the Holocaust. No... it was extremists.

poetgrl

It has everything to do with this thread. Maybe you misread the original post. There is a problem with Islam. And, yes, I'm outraged we continue to pretend there is not. But, it wasn' directed at you, R. UNLESS you're a musliim extremist...in which case.

romanigypsyeyes

Zooser, I am not attacking you at all. I am seriously saying if one wants a serious discussion of this topic, perhaps it would be more beneficial to start a topic about it. I was being 100% serious because I would like to participate in that thread. My gosh.

zoosermom

There is a problem with Islam. It attracts extremists in this day and age in much greater numbers than other religions. That's absolute and quantifiable. It is the rare Christian/BUddhist/Jewish fundamentalist who targets daycare centers or blows himself up. Get real.

poetgrl

Well, actually, as Wiesel pointed out in "Night"....The only thing necessary for evil to continue to exist is for good people to ignore it....(I'm gettin it wrong but the essence is the same.) If we willingly put blinders on, we are going to be very sorry. It is not a good idea to pretend "this cannot happen in America" when even in London they are allowing the practice of Sharia law under the guise of religious tolerance. As the mother of daughters, I find the whole thing very frightening. That's all.

zoosermom

Purpleflup did that very thing. You're posting in it.

dadx

Good shooting by the female police officer. God bless Texas.

romanigypsyeyes

I'm just going to quote poet here:

poet, do all of your Islamic friends want to blow you up?

Yes, it does attract extremists. Much in the same way that Hitler attracted extremists. The same way that the KKK attracted extremists. You don't think the KKK would have used suicide bombers if they had existed when the KKK had power?

zoosermom

You explained to yourself romanigypsyeyes. Hitler ATTRACTED, KKK ATTRACTED. That's the distinction. The Muslim extremists are working in the present tense in an era where chemical, biological and radiological weapons can be had.

jazzymom

I was stuck inside today and did a lot of channel surfing on this news story. Fox news did a good job, had more sources that seemed to be closer to the story, including the colonel (only caught part of the interview) and the cousin. (Is lightning going to strike me now?)

I don't know why Fox had that colonel as a source and other networks didn't --- did he contact them or did one of their reporters know him from an earlier story and got ahold of him? It might unfold later how that came about.

Note that amidst my channelsurfing, I also got the impression that Hasan was someone opposed to the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan --- something not unique to Muslims --- and who was very agitated and upset about being deployed. My first thought, once it started coming out that it was a U.S. soldier involved, was that this was one of those "he just snapped" cases, like the postal worker or college campus mass shootings.

I didn't hear enough of the Fox interview with the former co-worker to attribute Islamic extremism to Hasan's motivation. I think that is still speculation at this point.

snorlaxative

Religion, in its entirety, is skewed.

coureur

>>There is a problem with Islam. It attracts extremists in this day and age in much greater numbers than other religions.<<

Okay, so once again, what do you, Zoosermom, propose to do about it? What's the solution to this problem?

We are already hunting down and killing Islamic terrorists, infiltrating Islamic groups and arresting conspirators and foiling plots before they can be carried out. What more do you want? Under the law, what more can we do that we are not doing now? Should we just hate them harder? Would that help somehow?

snorlaxative

What Muslim extremist group has utilized radiological weapons and zooser, it sounds as if you are implying that these extremists are more cruel and cause more damage than Nazis? Get your facts straight. Hate groups still exist throughout the world and I will tell you that the middle east would still be patriarchal and in turmoil were it the Islamic religion or some other religion. Fundamentalism and extremism of any sort is devastating. MOST muslims are NOT extremists.

zoosermom

As my boss says, the solution can only come from within. I believe that. Part of making that happen is for news organizations and reasonable citizens to stop ignoring the elephant in the living room. To bring these things out into the light of day and call it unacceptable. That would be a really good start.

The problem is their hate, not ourss. We do not deserve to be hunted, attacked and killed. There is no amount of "hate" that can justify these acts of violence. There is no amount of love or tolerance that will stop them. But if it makes you feel safer and saner to pretend that the problem is us, then you do that. But don't expect everyone else to twist and pretend that up is down.

poetgrl

R. My muslim friends are muslim the way my grandmother was Jewish....not so much. Also, they left the countries they left because of the way they were forced to live by MUSLIMS, and they will be very, very clear on this point. Also, they think the liberals in this country are a bunch of naive children when it comes to this issue. Truly obtuse.