I hope our healthcare system doesn't end up like this

blankmind · 11-06-2009, 11:26 AM

Irish surgeons paid $1 million for doing nothing | Irish News | IrishCentral

Kelowna · 11-06-2009, 11:52 AM

I can tell you that doctors in the US are charging patients for the procedures that were never performed...

BigG · 11-06-2009, 12:00 PM

Since we cannot hope to create a perfect system, it is esential that we do nothing.

blankmind · 11-07-2009, 09:45 AM

There's a pretty big difference between creating a perfect system and doing nothing, with all kinds of options in between. I think we would be better off if Pelosi did nothing.

member · 11-08-2009, 12:39 AM

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Since we cannot hope to create a perfect system, it is esential that we do nothing.

A perfect system has existed for a long time. Its called a Free market.

lizdemonster · 11-08-2009, 12:42 AM

i completely agree.

member · 11-08-2009, 01:42 AM

The best part is, a free market systems takes no work, no trillion dollar spending, no regulation, no months of proposals, No worrying that person B doesn't get what A gets, and vice versa. Its free, incredibly efficient, auto regulates itself and is capable of giving care to the absolute most people at the absolute cheapest price in the least amount of time.

But hey, if we did this we wouldn't need out Big government. Ever think the politicians aren't on your side and are just there doing what suits their own needs first. Govt is a endless cycle of horrors. To exist they need you to be dependent on them, when you are dependent, you need them more and more, and it goes for ever.

BigG · 11-08-2009, 10:03 AM

You cannot have a free market when there are barriers to producers (doctors, etc) entering the market.

Do you people even know what a "free market" is in the formal economic sense??? It is not simply a market unencumbered by government regulation. It is a market characterized by many small producers (relative to the size of the market),may small consumers(relative to the size of the market), no collusion among producers or consumers, and free entry to and exit from the marketplace, meaning no barriers to entry or exit from the market.

There has never been an actual "free market". It is an abstract academic construct used to predict and forcast institutional and individual behavior.

You might as well hope space unicorns will come and save us .

blankmind · 11-08-2009, 10:37 AM

Ooh, I like space unicorns! In fact, I think a space unicorn would be a good replacement for Ms. Pelosi. I'm not sure how it could be any worse, unless of course, they eat people like the Visitors do. Oh well, I'm willing to chance it.

member · 11-08-2009, 11:14 AM

Who said anything about barriers, thats you. I am personally against forced medical licensing.

BigG · 11-08-2009, 01:26 PM

That is another pre-susposed fallacy of the mythical free market; complete knowledge on the part of producers and consumers. The producers always know who can and will pay for goods and services and won't sue or otherwise retaliate for a bad outcome. The consumers always know who is reputable and competent to supply goods or perform services.

If your baby daughter were laying on an operating table with her life in danger, would you trust the word of the susposed surgeon that he/she was competent to help her?

What do you have more faith in; government liscensing of physicians or the word of someone out to make a buck? What if the circumstance is an accident in a distant place with no time to investigate the surgeon?

Member, you are a puerile and callow child with no knowledge or experience as to how the real world works. When someone can cheat someone wll cheat. Look at the disasters in the unregulated financial markets. Would you trust the life and health of yourself or a loved one to the same mentalities?

member · 11-08-2009, 03:58 PM

Im not saying there could not be had certifications by private companies, similar to that in the computing sector. But I see nothing wrong, if that surgeon seems competent to letting him do the procedure. You asked who I had more failth in and that would always lay with somebody trying to make a buck.

I would actually blame the disasters of the financial markets to regulation. I defiantly would trust my family or myself to such a system. Its incredibly safer than what we have now.

stevensmama · 11-09-2009, 12:48 PM

^^^
Con artists are experts at appearing to be what they're not, say, a competent surgeon. And they're certainly always trying to make a buck. You really wouldn't mind having open-heart surgery done by someone who, for all you know, has no medical training whatsoever?

Wow. Just wow.

Hunt · 11-09-2009, 01:09 PM

That article is about Ireland's national health service--there is no proposal for the U.S. to have anything like that. I wish people would grasp the difference between health insurance and health services; but the opponents of the Dems' plan are trying as hard as they can to keep people from grasping the difference.

AUTransfer · 11-09-2009, 01:25 PM

a) Nothing like the Irish healthcare system is being propsed in the United States
b) That was an isolated incident of 3 surgeons.

"A survey, commissioned by the HSE in 2007, found that patient satisfaction with the health service was quite high, with 90% of inpatients and 85% of outpatients saying they were satisfied with their treatment. In addition to this, 97% said they were satisfied with the care provided by their GP."

You're right, I wouldn't want statistics like that with 100% of people covered.