geeps20

anyone who believes the dems actually think or care that the health care bill will work are fooling themselves

Mr Payne

So you think that the government should actually *run* healthcare? Similar to NHS? That's a pretty extreme position.

catahoula

No, they collected the funds (via taxation) to pay people to do these things, including contractors in many of the instances you've listed. I doubt their track record of screw-ups is any better than that of private enterprise, btw, but I could be wrong.

Why, you're absolutely correct, dstark - all of us that have, and disagree with the distributionists, are just a bunch of greedy haters.

garland

Call it what you like, but I'm with dstark. I will never, never, understand the "I got mine, too bad for you" approach to one's fellow humans.

dstark

OMG. Redistribution. We have to stop redistribution. I'm so nervous. I'm shaking. I'm going to lose all my stuff. My hard earned stuff. First the non-whites get in power. Then they take my stuff. What am I going to do? What am I going to do? Better...better wa...watch...Glenn Beck. He...he..he..heeee knooooows.. Ahhhhh..

vicariousparent

I don't know if this was addressed to my post. I very clearly said "the government should step in gently". The proposed public option is just that. A very gentle governmental entry into the marketplace to provide one of many options to BUY insurance.

Correct. And in the case of health insurance the government would pay the doctors to provide care to patients. NOBODY is proposing government provided health care. Just like nobody is proposing that roads should be built by government employees.

catahoula

And I'll never understand the "can't waste a crisis" approach to reordering a large chunk of the economy, garland. Especially since this critical problem won't be magically fixed until... I'm afraid I haven't seen the last iteration, so I don't really know - can you and the socialist help me out?

Mr Payne

You know, I've never understood how hypocrites can come in and exclaim things like this. Did you go on vacation this year? Do you have a TV? Internet? Clothes?

People around the world don't have these things. I've never understood how you can be so selfish when people around the world have a lower quality of life.

Same liberal hypocrites, different day.

xiggi

Hey, I am with Dstark too. What is there not to like?

After all, I want him to pay more taxes, especially if it makes hm happier. I really want him to pay more federal taxes, and especially double or triple the amount he pays in property taxes. More federal taxes should help, and we all know that it would be wonderful for the UC system to fill that 1 billion deficit with California money as opposed to keep the dead wood and the fat in its system with the more than 700 million dollars of Obama's stimulating largesse.

I also want him to help me have what he has. I want him to pay higher premiums so the greedy private sector does not look at a healthy 24 years without a single pre-condition as the best source to shore a failing system. Yes, I really, really want him to spend a lot more and share his wealth, his assets, and see them eroded by higher taxes.

Unfortunately for him, it does not look as he has much to say about it. People will make that decision for him. He WILL pay. And, as much I won't be as happy as he seems to be, so will I.

Will we measure our individual degrees of happiness by the size of our new "contributions?'

dstark

OMG... socialism too.

We need to go back to the good old days. LIke 2005 and 2006. Yeah... when capitalism was at its peak. When the conservatives ruled the world. When the banks were broke and didn't know it. When the president was white and stupid, and the vice-president slept in a coffin. Well, the conservatives would have ruled the world in 2005 and 2006, but Barney Frank ruled the world. The conservatives were the puppets of Barney Frank. Those were the days.

dstark

MY taxes are going up Xiggi and so are yours. They are going to go up more than they would have if the conservatives weren't such poor money managers and so piggish.

But now its too late.

catahoula

I do love how Cheney sleeping in a coffin relates to the true cost of Obamacare, dstark.

Keep going, I'm waving some popcorn.

xiggi

Oh, DS, it's a given my taxes will go up! I have been a exemption and a deduction for way too long!

On the other hand, I would love for one of Pelosi's angels to explain to me what this will all mean to me in simple terms. Here's the deal, Xig. If you are self-employed in January 2010, you could expect to pay X dollars for your health coverage with Greedy Private. With the Pelosi plan, you will pay X^? or X*1.xx.

Perhaps, I might start liking her!

dstark

Obamacare...what a nightmare....People who don't have health insurance might get some.

What a tragedy. All the other first world countries do it. BUT us.. we're better than that. We're Americans.

Where are my guns?

parent2noles

The IRS will run a great national medical care system. You get a checkup and audit in the same visit. Then the Democrats will figure out they can reconcile all those heretofore secret medical records with all the heretofore secret medical financial disclosure forms and voila! instant financial TRVTH from which to base tax decisions.

The Republic is consequently strengthened. Democrats have more "other peoples money" to dispense in the name of social justice.

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