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Old 11-06-2009, 07:22 PM   #1
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The Republican Health Plan

The GOP plan was evaluated by the CBO. Here is the report.

Here is a quote from page 3:

"By 2019, CBO and JCT estimate, the number of nonelderly people without health insurance would be reduced by about 3 million relative to current law, leaving about 52 million nonelderly residents uninsured. The share of legal nonelderly residents with insurance coverage in 2019 would be about 83 percent, roughly in line with the current share. CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the amendment’s insurance coverage provisions would increase deficits by $8 billion over the 2010–2019 period."

JCT is Joint Committee on Taxation.

From page 7: "All told, the amendment would reduce the federal deficit by $18 billion in 2019, CBO and JCT estimate."

As a summary, on the front page: "According to CBO and JCT’s assessment, enacting the amendment would result in a net reduction in federal budget deficits of $68 billion over the 2010–2019 period. That estimate reflects a projected net cost of $8 billion over 10 years for the provisions directly related to insurance coverage; that net cost reflects a gross cost of $61 billion that is partly offset by about $52 billion in additional revenues associated with the coverage provisions. Over the same period, the other provisions of the amendment would reduce direct spending by $49 billion and increase tax revenues by $27 billion."

The good news is on the bottom of page 4 on to page 5: "In the market for individually purchased insurance, which represents a little more than 5 percent of total private premiums, the amendment would lower average insurance premiums in 2016 by an estimated 5 percent to 8 percent compared with amounts under current law. And in the large group market, which represents nearly 80 percent of total private premiums, the amendment would lower average insurance premiums in 2016 by zero to 3 percent compared with amounts under current law, according to CBO’s estimates."

Note: to repeat, 80% would see a zero to 3% reduction.

Note also that the GOP plan does not require coverage if you have a pre-existing condition and does not prevent cancellation - though insurers would be required to give notice first. This is in the plan, not in the CBO analysis of cost.

So the net is:

1. The GOP plan barely if at all reduces the number of uninsured, when you consider the rate of population growth, etc.
2. The number of elderly uninsured would remain the same.
3. The budget effect is substantially less than either Democratic plan. (Note for the weird purists: the biggest part is additional revenue so I guess you shouldn't count that so the real cost is actually higher and the real deficit reduction is then negligible.)

And so there you are. The great ideas. This is the fruit of all that labor.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:34 PM   #2
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Time for total nationalization. NHS baby! Crush everyone. The insurers, the doctors, the nurses, biotech! Spending 17% of national income on healthcare and nothing to show for it.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:48 PM   #3
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Maybe we should adopt the Soviet medical system. Promise great care and shoot everyone who subsequently complains. Lots cheaper than the Democrat taxed-to-death idea, without the lingering pain.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:17 PM   #4
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Well, there's a stupid strawman for ya, Mr Payne. No one's proposing an American version of the NHS.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:18 PM   #5
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I'm still wondering--when will the trial lawyers figure out that once the government takes over the entire health care industry, there will be no one left they can sue?
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:19 PM   #6
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Well, there's a stupid strawman for ya, Mr Payne. No one's proposing an American version of the NHS.
You don't get it. I am. Time to zero out the health insurance industry. Doctors have gotten fat for awhile, time to zero them out too. Biotech margins are a bit high. Time to zero them out.

Every dollar spent on healthcare goes to someone. If we go from 17% of GDP to 12% of GDP people are going to get burned, badly.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:20 PM   #7
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would increase deficits by $8 billion
bahahahahahaha

this is the party that says obama's bankrupting us and selling us to china.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:22 PM   #8
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bahahahahahaha

this is the party that says obama's bankrupting us and selling us to china.
Do you know the difference between 8 Billion and 100 Billion?
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:15 PM   #9
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do you know the similarities?

hint: they both increase the size of government

i guess the republicans are the party of "big but not as big" government. i can't believe people will vote for them in 2010 expecting them to reduce the size of government.
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You realize it's logical to vote with the goal of increasing the size of government *less* than another choice? Are you seriously this dumb?
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:22 PM   #11
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"i can't believe people will vote for them in 2010 expecting them to reduce the size of government. "

People will not vote for them expecting them to reduce the size of government. What you saw in the jobs report today is why they will vote for them in 2010 whether its a valid reason or not.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:30 PM   #12
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You realize it's logical to vote with the goal of increasing the size of government *less* than another choice? Are you seriously this dumb?
You realize this "lesser of 2 evils" thing is exactly why many Democrats stayed home in 2004? Are you seriously this dumb?
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:44 PM   #13
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Funny how John Kerry starts to look at the lesser of two evils. It could be that our country might have been better off with two one-term POTUS in a row.

In addition to savoring the pleonasm, it looks like we might be able to start blaming dumb Democrats for our ills.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:44 PM   #14
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You realize this "lesser of 2 evils" thing is exactly why many Democrats stayed home in 2004?
Your point being?
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:03 PM   #15
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House Committee on Ways & Means - Republican

PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
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