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Difference in paint grades

dstarkdstark Posts: 28,500Registered User Senior Member
edited October 2011 in Parent Cafe
I am painting the interior of my house and the painting contractor mentioned different paint grades...

What are the differences in these paint grades? Contractor's paint grade? Premium paint grade?

Which wears better and longer?

Worth price differences?
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  • qdogpaqdogpa Posts: 2,417- Member
    Here is a link to paint grades explained for BM products

    Painting Contractor - Benjamin Moore Paint Grades Explained
  • thumper1thumper1 Posts: 36,988Registered User Senior Member
    I have found that cheap paint usually means more coats. I'm getting a Behr Premium paint that is a primer/paint. It's expensive and folks have told me you still need two coats, but in the places I've seen, it looks great.
  • qdogpaqdogpa Posts: 2,417- Member
    Have used Behr in finished basement,laundry room...Benjamin Moore just about every where else in house....
  • NJresNJres Posts: 5,268Registered User Senior Member
    Just had this conversation with my sister last night.... (dstark, are you my sister?? :D ) Our painter insisted on using the best, and it was EXPENSIVE!! $50+ per gallon? He used Aura, from Benjamin Moore, which they describe as:
    the finest paint Benjamin Moore makes is Aura. Aura is unlike any other paint on the market. Benjamin Moore Aura paint is super-durable, does not require primer, will cover any color in no more than two coats, is low-odor and environmentally friendly and just looks richer for any color.

    Personally, I tend to go with the cheapest available, and I have used cheap paint with good results, but honestly, with the money you pay a painter, or the labor you pay to do it yourself, the difference between $19.99 per gallon and $55 per gallon in the long run is not significant, so I say go with the best.

    p.s. painters did half the house, we (mostly my wife) did the rest. She used a cheaper paint in the powder room and had to do FIVE coats to get coverage.
  • artloversplusartloversplus Posts: 5,362Registered User Senior Member
    The labor cost for two coats is prohibitive. I'd buy the best paint on the market and do only one coat. Just finished a 2400 sqft house painting job, inside and out. Paint cost probably is only $1000 one coat, but the labor will cost 3-4 times as much and I was the "general contractor"..
  • dstarkdstark Posts: 28,500Registered User Senior Member
    I think we are doing two coats for various reasons...we ripped out and replaced a lot of drywall..

    I am inclined to use a better quality paint ..if it looks better and lasts longer..

    But...
    If it is just one of those marketing tools...

    We were thinking of using Benjamin Moore...

    NJers...if I am your sister....I am in really big trouble.:)
  • artloversplusartloversplus Posts: 5,362Registered User Senior Member
    I think we are doing two coats for various reasons...we ripped out and replaced a lot of drywall..

    If you are painting raw dry wall, its always two coats, one for the primer and the other color.
  • GladGradDadGladGradDad Posts: 2,794Registered User Senior Member
    Do one coat of primer then one coat of a premium quality paint and check out the results. I've done this over previous paint as well as new drywall and it's worked out well. The primer is less expensive that the premium paint although sometimes I put on 2 coats of primer if I the first coat appeared to get soaked in to the new wall quite a bit. I haven't tried the so-called "primer paints" where the primer's mixed in with the paint since it really didn't bother me to do 2 coats - but I did it myself and I'm cheap labor.

    I used Behr (Home Depot) paint last time which usually rates well in consumer mags. I'm sure there are other good or even better paints available but I think contractors tend to buy paint at stores where they have an account, can get a good deal, and regularly do business (and know all the people working there, get free coffee and donuts, etc.) so I wouldn't take their word as gold since I doubt they actually regularly test all major paint brands. I'm not convinced there's a huge difference between the premium lines of the various bigger name companies (but I'm not an expert either).

    Prior to Behr I uses Sears Best paint (only purchased when it was on sale or else it was a ripoff) and it was an excellent paint and also rated very well in the consumer mags but I think HD and Lowes have pretty much shut down the paint department at most Sears stores.
  • mrsrefmrsref Posts: 555User Awaiting Email Confirmation Member
    I work in the paint industry. (Not for a paint manufacturer, but a supplier of raw materials in paint)

    For the most part, you get what you pay for. A paint that costs $50/gallon really *is* better than a paint that
    costs $20/gallon. I wouldn't want a contractor- grade paint anywhere in my house. The premium paint will have better stain resistance, burnish resistance, and scrub resistance. In short, it will look better for longer.

    If you are hiring a painter, the cost differential between good/cheap paint will be small compared to the total job cost. The painter will probably have one or two favorite brands of paint, and you should go with his/her recommendations because he/she will be accustomed to the "feel" of those paints and will do a better job applying those paints than a paint that is unfamiliar.

    My advice is to get a few estimates. Once you choose a painting contractor, tell them what you want the end result to look like, then step back and let the professional work out the details.
  • mathmommathmom Posts: 23,394Registered User Senior Member
    I've always used Benj. Moore Regal. It's held up well and I like the colors that are available.
  • BunsenBurnerBunsenBurner Posts: 16,766Registered User Senior Member
    Go with the better grade. Fewer coats = less labor, less mess, etc. Make sure you pick the right finish, too (eggshell, semi-gloss, etc.).

    Personally, on my white indoor walls, I use a coat of Kilz and one coat of super-duper HD paint. Looks great.
  • toblintoblin Posts: 1,862Registered User Senior Member
    I have found that cheap paint usually means more coats.

    True that!

    Ben Moore paints have never disappointed me.

    For primer, use oil based KILZ or Zinsser. (but not over existing latex) Both offer unbeatable specialty products.
  • alhalh Posts: 4,261Registered User Senior Member
    I vote for letting the painter pick the grade, but you pay for the paint directly. I would ask how many coats the painter thinks each grade takes. Just in case it hasn't occured to you :) if you keep some extra you can do touch-ups. My husband walks around with a paint brush every six weeks or so.

    Did I miss what happened with your kitchen wall and the water heater, hvac, etc? Did your contractor already do all that???
  • dstarkdstark Posts: 28,500Registered User Senior Member
    I had to redo the heating system..new vents..new heater....but I kept the heater and water heater in the same place. The redo cost us 9,000....which isn't too bad considering...

    Of course..it would have been nice to know that we had a heating problem in the first place. The heating vents in the townhouse went to nowhere. It was kind of hard to heat the place up. :)

    The kitchen walls were not weight bearing. :)

    So we opened up the kitchen....the side wall we took out the top 5' of the wall...and another wall we did the same so we now have a view outside and we got rid of the galley look of the kitchen...There is probably a name for these walls that only go up about 3 or 4 feet from the floor...but I can't remember what it is. :)

    This project still has another 2 months or more to go...

    The painter comes highly recommended but said his bid included construction grade paint
    and not premium..and it would cost a little more using a premium paint. I had no idea what he was talking about.

    The painting contractor I used on my last place was a little more reasonable in price..but I could not get him to get his people to work on time. He said it was more efficient for him if his crew did not show up some days. One day...I sent him a text saying I am "fu..... pis@@@ that your crew did not show up."

    The painting contractor was shocked...I always treat everybody with respect and I treated him with respect up until that point....but I was under time pressure. The house was going to go for sale in 4 days..and the paint job wasn't finished....and I repeatedly told the painting contractor I had time issues. I gave him weeks to finish the job.

    The prior painting contractor is a little afraid of me...I am a little too volatile for him. I have had a lot of people work for me...and everybody wants to work for me again including his crews.

    So...even though my prior painting contractor's prices are a little more reasonable...he doesn't get the $9,000 job. The painting contractor should have been a little less efficient. ;)
  • qdogpaqdogpa Posts: 2,417- Member
    Knee wall is the term you are looking for...surprised a painting contractor would quote a price with contractor grade paint, and is your quote 9k? How many sf? Or rooms? Seems awfully high, i recently paid 3k for a front to back 2 story foyer, kitchen,upstairs hallway,breakfast room,back stairway...with BM paint?...had a quote of 2k for my 2500 sf basement, did it myself, as i actually enjoy painting, and do a job equal or better then most pro's...they are amazed at the finished product i do,though since i am retired,i have loads of time
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