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Uniforms in public schools?

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  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 Posts: 33,798Registered User Senior Member
    You've had to call them 4 or 5 times?
    Maybe you should get your tires replaced. Or at least check the alignment.
    :)
  • UCDAlum82UCDAlum82 Posts: 1,072Registered User Senior Member
  • 07DAD07DAD Posts: 5,155Registered User Senior Member
    Although the states with the most students who wear school uniforms are the five big population states: California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and Texas, the ten cities with the most students in uniform are actually in eight different states and the District of
    Columbia:
    o Los Angeles/Long Beach, CA
    o New York City, NY
    o Houston, TX
    o Philadelphia, PA
    o Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
    o Washington, DC
    o New Orleans, LA
    o Detroit, MI
    o Jacksonville, FL
    o Atlanta, GA

    A case study of the effects of adopting school uniforms in Long Beach, CA which
    appeared in Psychology Today in September, 1999, reported the following effects from
    the switch to uniforms in 1995:
    o Overall, the crime rate dropped by 91%
    o School suspensions dropped by 90%
    o Sex offenses were reduced by 96%
    o Incidents of vandalism went down 69%
    • Also reporting on the Long Beach Unified School District, an Education Week article in 1998 reported that since 1994, assaults in grades Kindergarten through 8 had decreasedby 85%

    On safety alone uniforms are a plus.
  • WellspringWellspring Posts: 484Registered User Member
    Wow! We should all wear uniforms. Or move to Long Beach.
  • 07DAD07DAD Posts: 5,155Registered User Senior Member
    Yep--seeing the stats, it is a strong argument.
  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 Posts: 33,798Registered User Senior Member
    Some researchers, including David Brunsma of the Sociology Department of University of Missouri, have said that the benefits ascribed to the implementation of the LBUSD uniform policy were logically attributable to other factors; such as increased school security, collateral attendance enforcement efforts, and in-class programs designed to bolster sagging test scores.
    Brunsma Article - MU College of Arts and Science Research Communication Project
  • Emaheevul07Emaheevul07 Posts: 5,924Registered User Senior Member
    I am wondering how the horse gals are going through so many pairs of jeans! I used to ride regularly, I mucked stalls and was on feed and turnout, I helped run summer camp-- and I can't think of a single time I got a tear in my jeans. I wore the same jeans and t shirts to the barn that I wore to school (washed, of course!), and I wore the same pair of paddock boots for at least five or six years... I've only owned one or two pairs. I got new clothes maybe once a year when I was still growing, less than that as a teen-- never wore anything holey. We own horses and my family has been riding and competing for generations... and no tattered clothes here! What gives!?
  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 Posts: 33,798Registered User Senior Member
    My oldest worked with several different ponies at the zoo, a few were bad tempered & bit.
    Not all ponies are pleasant when you are applying eye medication or cleaning their sheath...
  • dietz199dietz199 Posts: 2,113Registered User Senior Member
    I am wondering how the horse gals are going through so many pairs of jeans!

    Well, we kept feeding our horsey girl and she kept growing...right out of those Goodwill jeans. As will happen between the ages of 8 and 18 :D

    D also owned a pony (rescued from a neglectful neighbor who lost interest in her newest toy). He had the most attitude of any of the horses she's worked with. I think ponies have Napoleon complexes.
  • 07DAD07DAD Posts: 5,155Registered User Senior Member
    The Long Beach Unified School District has won a Golden Bell Award for its exemplary implementation of required school uniforms in grades K-8, the first public school system in the U.S. to do so.

    The prestigious statewide award, granted to exemplary school programs by the California School Boards Association, was presented to LBUSD for excellence in the school safety category. District representatives will receive the award Saturday, December 7 at the CSBA Annual Education Conference in San Jose.

    After two full years of required school uniforms in grades K-8, districtwide school crime in those grades is down 71 percent. For the same period, crime in LBUSD high schools, where uniforms are not required, increased 28 percent.

    Seems unlikely that the differences in safety trends within the same school district can be explained by
    other factors; such as increased school security
  • rkw0211rkw0211 Posts: 91Registered User Junior Member
    My school district put uniforms in place this year and here is what anecdotal evidence I can give you:

    In the first place, the only reason they were put in place is because the teachers' union controls the board and the teachers wanted them. Teachers claimed that they were taking too much time to write kids up for dress code, were tired of looking at boobs, etc. etc. blah blah blah. The truth is, it was just another power trip brought on by a select group of high school teachers that don't like kids anyway.

    I always argued that the only people who cared about what we were wearing were teachers. They claimed that the clothes were a distraction and that without the distraction; scores, grades, and attendance would go up. I can tell you that this is not the case. For reasons unrelated to the uniforms, we had severe attendance drops (especially among seniors), we did not meet our state testing goal, and we had a record drop in honor roll students. Everyday, there is an announcement about having teachers check to make sure everyone is in uniform. Everyday I see kids being written up for new things (ie, instead of cleavage or sagging; too many buttons or wearing a sweatshirt). In the end there was still so much gray area in the policy (teachers also complained that the prior policy left too much up for interpretation) that there is more violations (just less that the teachers care about).

    Oh, and suddenly having to buy entirely new wardrobes was not in any way, shape, or form cheaper for anyone. Especially since khaki's and polos are the most expensive types of clothing!
  • barronsbarrons Posts: 23,792Registered User Senior Member
    You can buy them at Walmart for $10 each. Expensive???????????
    Maybe if you buy major logo brands.
  • UCDAlum82UCDAlum82 Posts: 1,072Registered User Senior Member
    I remember one mom at my kids' elementary school complaining about the girls wearing shorts (and not even short shorts) because her son was getting too distracted to do school work. I was thinking if her son was getting that distracted by 5th graders legs he was going to have a tough row to hoe in college.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Posts: 38,107Registered User Senior Member
    Re: #131

    However, comparing the K-8 going to uniforms vs. high schools not going to uniforms is not a well controlled experiment. It would be a better experiment if some K-8 and some high schools went to uniforms while others of similar initial characteristics did not, while following the same other policies.

    Uniforms could theoretically help with crime control by making it easy to identify "outsiders" entering the school area to commit crime. But that is only speculation (and it is also speculation about how much crime has to do with "outsiders"). Of course, the criminally-inclined "outsiders" could evade detection by wearing the uniforms when entering the school area to commit crimes, though the additional hurdle of doing that may be enough to deter many who commit crimes of opportunity as opposed to well planned crimes.
  • PNWedwonkPNWedwonk Posts: 93Registered User Junior Member
    I think the fact that uniforms are seen to reduce crime is a reason that middle class parents don't want to send their kids to schools that require uniforms. Those parents don't want their kids to attend schools that have so big a crime problem that they need to institute uniforms to combat it. People who don't have a choice as to where their kids go and are stuck with high crime schools may prefer uniforms for that reason. Parents now see uniforms in public schools as a signal that crime is a problem.

    Emeraldkity is talking about a brand new magnet STEM school. The principal coming in from out of state is assuming that the kids who will enroll at the school need uniforms (will be subject to criminal tendencies?), why is that? The neighborhood it is in is very diverse (some multimillion$ houses, some subsidized housing), I think all of the kids would benefit from attracting a diverse community. (See Richard Kahlenberg, All Together Now)

    (And what exactly is the 'crime rate' at any given K-8 school? Are we talking about a reduction from 2 incidents to 1?)
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