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Old 09-28-2012, 11:40 AM   #196
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I work for a privately held firm. There have been several owner meetings this week. Now, an M&A lawyer is with the three on-site owners is a meeting. I may be "retired" by Monday! Hmmm...
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:42 AM   #197
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> My other thought is that it seems as the baby boomers are damned if we do retire
> early - mooching off the next generation- and damned if we don't - not getting out
> of the way for the next generation. Depends on who is writing the article that day.

Nicely put.

Maybe the article writers should just say that we should all just die off.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:58 AM   #198
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I;m not mooching off the next generation. I'm mooching off my wife.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:30 PM   #199
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"My other thought is that it seems as the baby boomers are damned if we do retire early - mooching off the next generation- and damned if we don't - not getting out of the way for the next generation. Depends on who is writing the article that day. It would be nice to see a real cost benefit analysis to the next generation as to which is better for them. "

A lot of us have spent fortunes educating the next generation to give them the tools to be successful, so I don't have any guilt feelings whatever happens going forward.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:52 PM   #200
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I figure I'll need to work until I'm 70 just to recover financially from the strain of putting two daughters through college. Also to keep my younger D on my health insurance until she's 26, if she hasn't landed a stable career-ladder job with good health benefits by then.

I always thought that after I retire, I'd like to work part-time in a bookstore. Light work, something to keep me intellectually engaged, and I love being around books. Too bad bookstores seem to be a dying breed.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:53 PM   #201
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H says they have laid off a LOT of long-term contactors at his workplace, many of them who do excellent work because of budget crunches. I asked him who is supposed to do the work they were doing and he has absolutely no idea. He says there will be some big meetings coming up to work these things out, but it sounds like a mess to me.

Additionally, his workplace anticipates MANY of their most senior staff (30-40+ years experience) will be retiring by the end of 2012, so things will be very unsettled moving into 2013. There has been very little to no mentoring (even though this mass retirement is expected), so literally hundreds of years of institituional memory is going out the door.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:22 PM   #202
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"I always thought that after I retire, I'd like to work part-time in a bookstore. Light work, something to keep me intellectually engaged, and I love being around books. Too bad bookstores seem to be a dying breed."

I would like that too. Elderly people work in bookstores. Borders closed here. Many elderly people lost their jobs.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:24 PM   #203
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Most of the elderly people that I see working are at Home Depot - they actually had programs to hire older employees many years ago:

"A partnership between the world's largest home improvement retailer and the AARP will tap into the older work force for new employees. It will provide training and an easier application process to recruit a more senior staff."

""We have a need for qualified employees. We're looking for people who have the experience, the skills, the knowledge and the passion," said Dennis Donovan, Home Depot's executive vice president for human resources."

Home Depot targets older workers for hire | savannahnow.com | Savannah Morning News
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:29 PM   #204
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At Costco, there are some older workers as well. One of my favorites there is a retired veteran. He also retired from Costco but then came back--I think he missed the people--customers & co-workers. Personally, I would be physically unable (and therefore unwilling) to hold a job that required me to stand for many hours/day; H & kids have similar physical limitations.

Some seniors work and/or volunteer at libraries. There is a lot of need there as well.

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Old 09-28-2012, 02:48 PM   #205
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^Apparent in our city as High Schoolers and college students have very hard time obtaining volunteering positions. Some of them have long waiting lists.
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Old 09-28-2012, 03:24 PM   #206
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One of the issues with volunteers is their commitment is highly variable. You can expend a lot of time & energy training them only to have them not show up or move on and leave you short and having to recruit and train more. This also applies somewhat to part-time employees. Turnover is a big issue in trying to staff pretty much anything--you can end up with too much staff (rare) or not enough (common), rarely a middle ground.
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Old 09-28-2012, 06:55 PM   #207
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My first day of retirement.

I said to my wife, "Are you going to be mad because I am sitting around and not working?

My wife said, "No. Do whatever you want. Enjoy yourself. Be happy. Do things you haven't been able to do because you were working. Do more things like joining a gym. Whatever you want."

What can I say after that response?

I am not going to drop dead after a year of retirement. It is so relaxing.

I had to run an errand. Walked an hour each way. Later walked another hour and a half. I just got home, and my daughter said, "Let's go. Let's go on a 2 hour walk before dinner".

I am tired now.

But what can I say?

I can't say no to my daughter.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:00 PM   #208
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I said to my wife, "Are you going to be mad because I am sitting around and not working?

My wife said, "No. Do whatever you want. Enjoy yourself. Be happy.
I give that about a month.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:06 PM   #209
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dstark, just saw your post about your first day of retirement. I don't know whether to commiserate, or congratulate you. You expected it the end of October though, right? So it's not a total shock I think?

I don't know if you every read the comics, but go back to the last strip for Calvin and Hobbes. That just says it all. Good luck to you.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:08 PM   #210
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Here's what I wrote (for a homeschool magazine) my first day of retirement: (forgive if I've posted elsewhere before - my memory was going before I retired)

August 1st:

This is my first day in retirement. Whoopee!

I get up exactly the same time I always do. Take my vitamins, feed the canary, throw the dog a toy. All as usual. Check my e-mail. Watch a little too much of what passes for news on cable, enough to raise the blood pressure just a little. All as is customary thus far.

Linger a little bit longer over a cup of coffee. I could like this! Say goodbye to my wife Ellen as she girds up her loins to go take care of her dying patients, and comfort their families, at which she is very adept. (No, she isn’t an “angel”, she’s a human, which is even better!) Go out and look at the farmlet (seven raised beds and a greenhouse). Admire the newly painted house.

I pinch myself.

The reality is that I really had to retire, as I have far too much work to do. My daily e-mail is full of messages from Kenya, Burundi, India, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Madagascar, Zimbabwe, all crying out for my attention, as we seek to help people ensure their own safe drinking water, even as I endeavor to build global community. Then I’ve got mail from homeschoolers – from Edmonton to Madrid. And sometimes these overlap, as I work to train homeschooling families to help out with our global mission. And then I have to find money, hint, hint. (Home )

All of that is going to wait. Today I’m going downtown. In the daytime! I’m going to reacquaint myself with my town – where I’ve lived for more than 20 years – in the daytime! I’m not looking to purchase anything, or go to the bank, or visit a coffeeshop, or meet up with someone and have lunch (might happen though!) Just go for a long walk.

In my town, in the daytime, probably not too different from your town, there are lawyers lawyering, carpenters carpentering, accountants doing the books, vets caring for sick animals and doctors for sick people. Music stores are selling drumsticks and harmonicas, bakers are baking, and bookstores (those that still exist) are still attempting to sell books (I wonder if they’ll have mine.) The auto mechanics are under the cars (though in the auto mall, they’re called “technicians”), painters are up on ladders, architects and engineers and builders are pouring over the blueprints for a new building. Welders welding. Maybe I’ll get a haircut. Bankers, well they do what bankers do. Plumbers are fixing drains, electricians the wiring, and ecologists are restoring streams. Real estate and insurance agents are trying to drum up business. Pawn shops are a-pawning. Gemologists and haberdashers are hawking their wares. Local farmers are setting up their stalls at the farmers’ market. I can buy fishing tackle or a bouquet of flowers, take my computer in to get fixed (heaven forbid!), or see if I can get someone to come over and take a look at my leaky refrigerator, if I had one. Municipal court is in session.

It’s great world out there, one that I rarely saw during my 20 years in the office. Oh, I occasionally took a day off, or ran an errand to have my dumbphone repaired, or to get some paint chips so we could choose colors for one of the kids’ rooms. But I never got to see my town in any intentional way, or to go out of my way to meet the people who spent their days therein. Except Saturdays – when they do sell stuff.

Of course, this is also true of the kids in the dayjail, those occupying the land of the Lilliputian chairs and desks, and those sentenced and confined to hormonal hell with their fellow cellmates. After school, it will be homework or soccer practice. Some day they’ll be asked to choose an occupation or profession from among those practiced by the people I see in the daytime, with the vast majority having no real sense of what most of them do or how people get to do them, or that there really is much in the way of choices.

Occasionally, though rarely, I used to walk downtown at night. Sometime between 6 and 8 p.m., they roll up the sidewalks, and, except for a movie theater and a couple of restaurants mostly more than half empty, my town becomes one big tavern. It’s the same in most towns in America, from what I can tell. Not a tavern in the sense of a medieval tavern, in which business was conducted. Tavern as in locus for drunkenness, or near so, or a search for cheap (or not so cheap) sex, or just something in the way of human companionship. Isn’t that what the kids locked up in the dayjail get to see as well, though lacking the adult card, they are forbidden entry inside? Is it in any way surprising then that many 14 and 15 year olds see the activity of the tavern in their town as the quintessential adult activity, and seek to emulate it? Short of that, since the only the time they get to see the town during the daytime is on weekends, is it any wonder that many are simply obsessed with buying stuff?

Perhaps the biggest advantage that homeschoolers have over the kids in the box is that we own the daytime. The world is our oyster. The town is ours, and the country, too. The world is full of wonderful people doing wonderful things – most of them in the daytime. Find ways to turn your community into an adventure. If you are part of a homeschooling group, help your kids construct a treasure hunt in town – with the treasures being not just in particular places, but in the possession of specific people. (People are the real treasures in our town…and in every town.) Teach your kids how to do community interviewing (Doug Lipman’s essay in my book The Healing Heart~Communities will show you how to do it – here’s another great article from Doug - Teaching Interviewing Skills Through Story Games ), practice at the local senior center or at a nursing home, and then take it out into your town. Make a community scrapbook with the stories of the people who make your town a great place to live. Seek out mentoring relationships, and apprenticeships (and share notes with other homeschooling families). Have your children take interesting people out to lunch! (and you can come along).

Almost needless to say, once you and your children start to do this, the tavern and what it stands for is going to lose most of whatever allure it might have had. And the kids may begin to have some inkling of where their learning might lead them, with the time, energy, and effort to get them where they want to go.

Best of all? I’ll meet you all there! I’m free! (if I’m not in Ethiopia).

* * * * *

P.S. In the nighttime, make sure the kids get enough sleep.

(P.P.S. Dstark - I've got work for you - when can you start?)
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