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Old 10-05-2007, 05:51 PM   #16
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"Sorry, crabbylady, it was another in a long line of attempted jokes. "Freedom Fries" and "Liberty cuffs" = French fries and French cuffs"

Bwa-ha-ha! LOL! My H tried to order "freedom fries" at a local cafe (he was joking, just like you), but the high school girl waitress did not get it even after his explanation - not every kid follows the current events!

Congratulations, you did the right thing. Every guy should learn how to dress properly! Interviews, big events, even meeting girlfriend's folks for the first time... yD's boyfriend showed up at our house in a suit and immediately got "brownie points" from H, and oD's ripped-jean-wearing-multiple-earring young PhD boyfriend did not impress H. (I have to note that H does not wear suits to work.)
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:55 PM   #17
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here are some other threads on the topic (including the "tux vs suit" debate)

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...d.php?t=394221
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...d.php?t=361519
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...d.php?t=299123
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...d.php?t=307070
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:17 PM   #18
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I don't think that's too abnormal... I've always had at least one good, formal suit on hand since I was 12.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:26 PM   #19
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My oldest son just spent the evening trying to teach a couple college students how to tie their ties (they had a job fair the next day)--ended up having to tie them and leave them tied for the boys to slip over their heads the next day.

Youngest son just bought a sport coat and a suit for some fraternity events. He had never learned to tie a tie as h. and older son were always around to do it for him at home. He called me in a tizzy because he couldn't figure it out, even was watching a video on the internet to try and figure it out--ended up having a frat brother do it for him before he walked into the dinner, lol. He now has proudly mastered it.

I guess oldest learned because in high school they had to wear ties on away game days. By the time youngest came along that practice had been dropped.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:42 PM   #20
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We let Grandpa help his gson get his first suit. Now Gpa has taste. Son lost the suit in a move in sophmore year. Grandpa also got the second suit, but not as expensive. We are more reasonable, JCPenny sport coat.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:01 PM   #21
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You might be one of the few in America (although my sons had Christmas dinner suits from age 8 onwards) but he'd be one of hundreds if he lived overseas and attended a formal boys' school. A formal boys' school has formal and sport uniforms. Eton's tails are the most formal but the rest of them are pretty darn starchy.

The advantage of attending formal schools? Dressing formally and tying your own tie is not a biggie.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:19 PM   #22
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For several years my son left his tie tied and slipped it over his head. Somehow it came untied and when he needed it, my husband was out of town. Mom (me) is a sartorial buffoon and had no idea how to deal with the thing, so son went on the internet, found step by step instructions and followed them (with difficulty, as he is left-handed). I still don't know how, but the only one still at home is a daughter, so I may die ignorant.

He does not own a suit, though, at 18. I think we will be doing something about that on his next visit. What fun.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:21 PM   #23
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My son learned to tie his tie from a beloved band teacher in 4th-8th grade. His suits he likes to get at the Salvation Army thrift stores. Really classy. We give them lots of clothes so we feel ok about it.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:34 PM   #24
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Both sons wear the suit my H wore when we got married. They just like it.

I can't even begin to tell you how happy I feel seeing them in it.

H marvels that he was ever that skinny, but he was all that and less.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:49 PM   #25
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For quite a few years our marriage license was lost. I finally located it in the pocket of the suit H wore when we were married, as I prepared to donate it to the Salvation Army. I wonder if your son is wearing that suit, bethievt?
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:41 PM   #26
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Well...the music majors out there own "dress up clothes" at an early age. By the time DS was in 8th grade, he had a bunch of dress black slacks and shoes (and white shirts and black ties). But 9th grade, he added a black suit to the mix, and a tuxedo. He has had a navy sport coat (varying sizes) for as long as I can remember to wear with Khaki slacks. This year he added a white dinner jacket, and a set of tails to his dress clothes....and inherited a very nice navy wool suit from his grandfather. He also has a wool topcoat. AND now he has three pairs of black dress shoes...one sort of "casual" pair, one pair for the suit, and a very dressy pair for the tux and tails.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:24 PM   #27
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I just bought my S, a college freshman, a tuxedo! He has not yet owned a suit, but needed the tuxedo for symphonic band.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:42 PM   #28
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Now the next step for all those sons is to make sure they take dance lessons. A nice suit and able to dance - they will thank you later.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:27 PM   #29
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DS is a perfomance major, lots of suits over the years, he's on his second tux and we will probably have to get him tails before it is over. I just wish he'd stop growning. I figured when he graduates ( if he gets to work in his chosen field) We'll need to come up with about 5 grand to get him outfitted. Guess I better get another job!
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:29 AM   #30
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every female type should know how to tie bowties, regular ties, etc

So dads, teaches your daughters!!!

Both my Ds can tie ties- a skill that works wonders
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