emeraldkity4

boy we have short memories

If someone is a risk to others and indicates that in their writings- is" free speech" of the individual, more important than the safety of the group?

Apparently some feel it is.

lskinner

No. Rather than prosecute her, I would surveil her (so to speak.)

midmo

My libertarian sympathies are always strained by cases like this. This woman wrote a "poem" detailing the best method by which to saw off the head of a living human being.

So many other things to get exercised about, so many other people to be concerned about.

dadx

I've seen double standards before, but emeraldkity's observation should strike home to some of the other posters on this thread.

This is what police and surveillance are for. Its too bad they didn't wait to see who else they could round up in her network of fellow travelers.

simba

emeraldkity is correct.

edvest1

The Brits should begin deportation, not prosecution. That's only way to deal with this threat from within.

Imagine if she's convicted it will just reaffirm the martyr complex in her and so many jihadists. She will take her quoran to jail and read it day and night and find more hatred and cause for violence. You can't keep her in jail long because she hasn't done it YET. And she just wait for the day she's released to fullfill her mission, commit mass murders. No prosecution. Deportation.

ucsd_ucla_dad

Wouldn't deportation just allow her to commit her mass murders sooner?

emeraldkity4

where are they going to deport her too?
Wasn't she born in the UK?

citygirlsmom

how to saw off a head...well....so what!!! seriouslly people, it was writing, when writing become illegal we have lost already to the terrorist- so much for the reason we are fighting them, eh> to protect democracy

we have literature about poisening people, we have books on rape, bank robberies, who decides what is a threat?

let say someone writes a poem about nailing someone to some wood and letting them bleed to death in public in order to stop him because they saw him as a threat

so she wrote a bad poem....scary to me that some would jail people for what they write

where do you draw the line>

ucsd_ucla_dad

cgm - Did you read the whole article? There's more to it than writing a poem. There's also a good chance there's more to it than was in the article.

citygirlsmom

even agatha christie talks about how to kill people in her writing

guess we should just stop spy thriller writing because, gee, they talk about all sorts of "threatening" stuff

I am watching the movie Blow and we learn all about how to smuggle drugs, should those writers be jailed?

What is it about Beheading that freaks so many out? Because we saw it?

It is just amazing how frightened we have become of words....tell me, what did she really do besides have some reading material, talk big, and write some tacky poetry?

When we through people in jail for thinking, we are no better than those we fear

citygirlsmom

Yes I read the whole article= they claim she tried to give some money and had some manuals...and she was convicted on ONE charge if I am correct

Why are people so afraid of words...maybe all the rappers that write about killing cops should also go to jail for their lyrics

citygirlsmom

some words to ponderL

Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a state has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his house, what books he may read or what films he may watch.
Thurgood Marshall

When you can be arrested for what your write and read, that is what the founding fathers feared- that is why is the 1st amendment- not the last

beirut08

"She will take her quoran to jail and read it day and night and find more hatred and cause for violence."

THIS just crossed the line.
As a Muslim student in the United States, I cannot tolerate that statement at all.

Do you realize that you are taking the holy book of the world's 2nd-largest and fastest-growing religion and basically wittling it down to a manual of "hatred"?

I agree that the Brits are more "liberal" than us Americans but much, much less tolerant to foreigners. If you ever happen to visit London (or practically any modern Euro. city for that matter) you will realize that blocks of the city are split into ethinic neighborhoods. In the USA, the furthest "ethnic" neighborhoods reach are black or hispanic-dominated streets. That's it.

As a politically moderate Muslim-American, I have to say that I would fear the woman. Airport background checks apparently are not strong enough, or perhaps she was employed before she started becoming interested in all this jihad.

I'm not a lawyer nor do I have a clue about the judicial system, so really I have no opinion about whether she should be in jail or not.

What SHOULD be done, however, is to figure out how the youngest adults of every Westernized society are becoming more influenced by these extremists! And I'm not just speaking about Islamic extremists! Extremism can be drugs, alcohol, suicide...Religion doesn't necessarily have to have the most influence on their lives. They are, after all, young adults.

But seriously, the Qur'an comment crossed the line. I'm not going to even start lecturing on that. I'm surprised no one else has stood up against it. There are so many BAD BAD BAD translations of the Qur'an which may make phrases seem full of hate, but essentially it is the philosophy of Islam. And as risky as it may seem to say this in the 21st century, Islam is NOT a religion of hate.

edvest1

from CitygirlsmomYou would probably say what's the harm ,it's only an animal when young Jeffrey Dahmer skinned a cat.

Where do I draw the line. I draw the line based on preponderance of facts that most terrorist acts are carried out today by islamic extremists, and they invariably started out by swearing to wage jihad against infidels, and these people actually carry out their threats.

You liberals live in a cocoon. All that idealistic rants about defending democracy is warrant for self destruction and blind to the increasing danger we face. Furthermore liberals make the real citizens who care for our country and are on the front line fight 2 wars. One against people from outside who seek to exterminate civilization, one to fight the lame-brain leftists from within.


Dont understand. She's incarcerated now. Deportation will send her out from jail to goodbye Great Britain. Since she's so fond of Osama why not send her to like some no man's land in between Sunnies and the Shiites, and she can decide which to join.