British Muslim Woman Writes Poems About Beheadings - Page 3

citygirlsmom · 11-09-2007, 11:37 PM

My D once wrote an essay for a scholarship- it was who would you be for 24 hours and why...

Her choice of topic was interesting - to be a suicide bomber for 24 hours- 1 day before the event...

at first glance it seemed a very strange topic- but when going further, it was about looking into what makes young people vulnerable to others pressure, how to understand what is driving the violence, and yes, how their religious beliefs are twisted and turned for others' agendas

She had all kinds of materials about suicide bombers, the actual bombs- how they are made, etc....the stuff on her computer and the websites she found would make others nervous....

The lady wrote some bad poetry, some blogs, etc....what did she DO that has you all so frightened?

citygirlsmom · 11-09-2007, 11:46 PM

and the comparison to dahmer was absurd on its face....in China we have thousands in jail for disagreeing with the government- their crimes- Writing....and in Pakistan, thousands more in jail for what, disagreeing with the government

when in America does writing about something become a crime" When have Americans become such wusses that they are not strong enough to handle the writings of others...when have some Americans become so fearful of books and manuals and papers and think we are such a weak nation that we can't handle words?

I think America is stronger than most conservatives do...I believe our constitution was written to protect the ugly, because who is to decide what is ugly

Some would find the writing about how to perform abortions or dispense birth control dangerous, should those people be allowed to decide what should be written?

We are not a weak nation, but when we succumb to fear and give in to words, we are no better than the people we claim to be fighting

edvest1 · 11-10-2007, 12:00 AM

Dateline San Francisco: summer 2006
muslim man mauled down people in a black SUV from downtown San Francisco to the Fisherman's Wharf. Witness recalled a psychotic looking driver chanting "Kill Kill Kill, Die Die Die".

Dateline Atlanta: spring 2006
FBI nabbed an African American (couldve been any race) who was recently converted to Islam for planning to blow up landmark buildings. Colleagues recalled him following his marriage to a muslim woman saying to everyone one who could hear, "I want lots of babies, I want to raise lots of my little jihadies".

Don't tell me it's isolated. It's a manifestation of full-blown dispise for civilized people everywhere.

Beirut08, why is it some people get nothing but hatred after following Islam?
Isn't jihad a central goal in Islam ?

edvest1 · 11-12-2007, 05:48 PM

I genuinely like to hear response from people who are in the world's fastest growing religion to tell me where I am wrong about my perceptions, and I think much of other non muslims too. It seems like they all believe in the rhetorics of the martyr syndrome, or we-are-persecuted syndrome and blame the west. Bear in mind they exercise the same brutality against each others too, witness the sectarian violence in Iraq as one of many examples.

razorsharp · 11-12-2007, 06:44 PM

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Dateline San Francisco: summer 2006
muslim man mauled down people in a black SUV from downtown San Francisco to the Fisherman's Wharf. Witness recalled a psychotic looking driver chanting "Kill Kill Kill, Die Die Die".

I wasn't aware of that one. Can you give a cite?

I was aware of this one:

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Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar (born May 5, 1983 in Tehran) is an Iranian-born American citizen who confessed to intentionally hitting people with a car on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to "avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide" and to "punish" the United States government. While no one was killed in the attack, nine people were injured (none seriously). Shortly after the attack, he turned himself in and was arrested. He currently awaits trial. In one letter, Taheri-azar wrote, "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohammad Atta, one of the 9/11/01 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree."[1]

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edvest1 · 11-12-2007, 06:53 PM

Hit and Run in San Francisco (Wizbang)

The chantings as he mowed down innocents came over news radio report.

beirut08 · 11-12-2007, 08:56 PM

I don't think you realize that these randomly-targeted attacks by Muslims make up about what, 2% of every action that Muslims do? Can you be serious, man? I mean, I'm on the verge of calling you ignorant and I don't even know you!

Go to ANY reliable, objective source and it will say that the vast MAJORITY of Muslims are moderate and mainstream. These Ahmedinejad, Hezbollah, and Gaza strip imposers are nothing but foolish people blatantly SCARRING the name of Islam. Any sane Muslim can tell you that their deeds are quite the opposite from what we are ordered to do.

How about all the regular Muslims out there, huh? How about that CNN special, "Warriors of God: Islam" where that young American-Muslim lady was talking about living a normal life in the USA.

My uncle was a pilot for a major airline prior to September 11th. Everything changed after that. His name is Ahmed and he lost his job.

My other uncle, who lives in Saudi Arabia, comes to the USA a lot for contracts with engineers and such. He's been coming to the US since the 80's. His first trip after 9/11 was around November of that year and because his name was Ossama (although he has green eyes, fair, fair skin, blonde hair, and wears khakis everywhere), he got stopped at customs for three freakin' hours. He happened to be travelling with his brother-in-law, who is older, with deep-set black eyes, jet-black hair, a little beard, and speaks less English than my uncle. His name is Jad. He went through customs easily.

May I say this?
BS!

1of42 · 11-12-2007, 09:25 PM

Yeah, I've got to say that edvest1's views on Islam are pretty ignorant.

Islam may have the largest amount of extremism of any religion at the moment, but anyone who thinks this is unique of Islam has a very selective memory. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition anyone?

Every religion has extremists. It's just that at the moment, those who hate Western civilization are finding Islam to be a convenient vehicle for spreading radicalism. That doesn't make the religion itself bad. It just happens to be sitting on top of a number of cultural phenomena and is being exploited at the moment.

emeraldkity4 · 11-12-2007, 09:31 PM

Isn't jihad a central goal in Islam ?

Well....... I am not a religious scholar- but I am partway through the first season of Sleeper Cell-( highly recommended BTW) and from what I understand- the greatest Jihad is not against the West or unbelievers, but against the evil in ourselves.

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All three faiths in the Judeo-Christian-Muslim tradition recognize that evil is present in the world, even though God created good. All three teach that an important part of a life of faith is for each believer to actively resist what is evil and support what is good. (Christians may compare with 1 Peter 5:8-9; Ephesians chapter 6 and similar texts.)

Islam teaches that when believers witness an act of evil they must try to stop it from happening, if possible. If they do not have the power to stop the evil, they must speak out against it. If circumstances prevent even speaking out against the evil, then the least believers can do is to make firm resolve in their heart against that evil. Yet the Judeo-Christian-Muslim faiths also teach that evil is skilled at disguising itself to appear good, and that our own selfish motives can often deceive us. For that reason, the struggle for the good must be waged - not just against the evil around us - but also against the evil which is within our own hearts. (Compare Romans 7:21ff.)

In Islam, the struggle of good vs. evil is called Jihad -- "striving for the good." Muslims often remind us of two jihds mentioned in the Qur'an, a Greater Jihad, and a Lesser Jihad, one of them against evil in the world around us and the other against evil within us. Surprisingly (or not), the struggle against evil in the world around us is the Lesser Jihad, while the Greater Jihad is the struggle between good and evil which we wage in our own hearts. It is the inner struggle which is most difficult and also most important, for unless we recognize and combat the evil within us, we will never successfully resist the evil around us.

Both Christians and Muslims must not be misled by anyone who uses the language of spiritual warfare as an excuse to commit acts of violence on other human beings. Repel evil with that which is better -- Qur'an 23:9; 41:34.Jihad is a struggle for the healing of creation, not its destruction.

so to go back a few posts- CGM did your daughter get the scholarship?

ucsd_ucla_dad · 11-12-2007, 10:20 PM

I think we should be concerned about any religion that's being used successfully to mold masses of people into violent action. Hundreds of years ago this would have been various religious sects including Christianity and now it's Islam (plus various weird sects like the Jim Jones group and the flying saucer group). It's hard to deny that there are literally thousands of people being influenced in a very negative way by certain Islamic religious leaders. It's certainly not all of them and we all know that ancient texts like the bible and koran can be interpreted in many ways both for good and for evil depending on the goals of the ones using it but there are certainly some using it in an evil way IMO.

lealdragon · 11-12-2007, 11:02 PM

I am usually a champion of the right to read whatever we want. Indeed it is a slippery slope because if religious fanatics ever got in charge, they could easily make it illegal to read something that is not in agreement with their particular religion (like Pagan or Buddhist spirituality, which they find 'satanic' for example.)

However, I also believe strongly that no one has the right to harm anyone else.

But, the question is: how do you know if the person was just reading the offensive material for recreation/information, or was actually intending to act upon it?

How to resolve this?

Here's an idea: Why not apply the same standards used in a court of law to determine whether someone had attempted murder. Whatever standards regarding evidence indicating INTENT are in a court of law could be applied here. So if it is determined that there is the INTENT to be violent, then appropriate action could be taken, just as it would in the case of someone discovered to be planning a murder.

Isn't it true that if a person paid an assassin, for example, but the assassin had not yet carried it out, the person could still be convicted for attempted murder?

Apply the same standards to intent to commit acts of terrorism.

It would still be a grey area in most cases, probably.

Not an easy solution on this.

edvest1 · 11-12-2007, 11:19 PM

beirut08:
The fractions you talked about could be tip of an iceberg. I like to believe you are peaceful loving guy. But What troubles me is that why does it takes CNN to bring out peaceful muslims? Why muslims are not outraged by profanity of their "peaceful" religion by few islamic fascists. Why aren't there million muslims march organized SPONTANEOUSLY to proclaim and affirm islam's peaceful intentions and condemn violence taken by few who acted in their name ? Silence means consent. Passiveness means the less extreme of the muslim population are either secretly partner to or not care enough about innocents to stand up to the militants. Show me a muslim march for peace and maybe I begin to believe. Instead all you gripe about is how your uncle had been treated since 9/11. We have reason to be afraid of the deeds islamic militants are capable of. We have to take precautions.

This from emeraldkity4

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Islam teaches that when believers witness an act of evil they must try to stop it from happening, if possible. If they do not have the power to stop the evil, they must speak out against it. If circumstances prevent even speaking out against the evil, then the least believers can do is to make firm resolve in their heart against that evil.

Where is your million muslims march ?

I KNOW the likes of 1of42 will bring up the Crusaders. But Christians have not murdered anyone (in historic context) in centuries unless one counts Adolph Hitler as christian. Listen to 1of42 talks, its always "just because its xxxx, doesn't means its yyyy, and even if ssss, its not necessary ttttt". Everything is tolerable, everything is everything, according to 1of42. People like that rather be on the side of the murderers. Liberal thinking is reverse thinking, always taking the side of the absurd, let reasons be damned.

lealdragon · 11-12-2007, 11:41 PM

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Liberal thinking is reverse thinking, always taking the side of the absurd, let reasons be damned.

That's quite an absurd statement. Liberal means change, progress. Now it is you who are making a ridiculous generalization.

edvest1 · 11-13-2007, 12:02 AM

It's a fact. No use denying it. Liberals take any reason to be a good enough reason, just to be contrarian, to be capricious. Doesn't have to make sense, according to them, in the name of social compassion, justice, whatever.

yourworld · 11-13-2007, 12:33 AM

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the question is: how do you know if the person was just reading the offensive material for recreation/information, or was actually intending to act upon it?

This brings us back to the title. She must have found listening to Bin Laddie tapes inciting violence is entertaining. And watching Richard Pearl beheading video is an enjoyable pass time? Richard Pearl far as we know had committed no mass crimes against anyone. He was only at wrong place at wrong time. So this lady likes to watch beheading of an innocent reporter and even wrote about how to do it more neatly. That and the stacks of manuals found in her bedroom on how to make roadside bombs shouldn't scare anyone ? Even more amazing is the fact she spoke openly about joining her Al Qaeda brothers, doing her honorable duty of jihad. She is literally a walking time bomb. How long before an Al Qaeda recruiter finds her? None of these of course set off alarms as the liberal element rush to defend her.

It bothers me too on the lack of salt-of-the-earth muslim crying foul when their religion is being hijacked by militants.