Marian

This is discrimination!!!

Why should only gay people have the right to have sex in bathroom stalls?

Straight people can't do it because of separate men's and women's facilities.

Except on airplanes.

mythmom

Just another area you boys have it over us in the plumbing department. It's hard enough to get a stall in a women's restroom as it is!

1of42

That is exposure enough? So let me get this straight, are you or are you not agreeing with me that hotels then have the responsibility to ensure their guests do not have sex in their rooms (sound carries you know)?

You have yet to provide an even slightly convincing argument as to why my argument is wrong, much less simply wrong. The argument that something could corrupt children is an interesting one, but it in and of itself is not a faultless argument.

Interesting question. I suspect that that would indeed constitute an invasion of privacy, but that it would not be punished. It is an interesting question though - I must admit that I am not aware of whether or not the law allows for mitigating circumstances like imminent harm to breach someone's privacy rights.

Hanna

"If Craig uses this as a DEFENSE, isn't that basically an admission of guilt??"

No.

Pleading guilty was an admission of guilt. It almost takes an act of God to overturn a guilty plea. That's why his lawyers are arguing that the law he pleaded guilty to is an invalid law -- it's just about their only option.

In the law, it is perfectly kosher to make arguments that would be very incriminating in real life. If you find a smashed cookie jar on the kitchen floor and you ask your kid if he did it, his refusal to answer is proof of guilt in the court of Mom. But in a criminal situation, refusing to answer questions is a constitutional right (not to mention a smart move).

Of course, WE are not prosecutors, judge or jury, so we're entitled to draw whatever conclusions we want.

soozievt

I thought they were called PUBLIC restrooms?? NOT private restrooms.

I agree with Scansmom that Sen. Craig was involved in a sexual interaction with the person in the stall next to him and not within the "privacy" of his own stall. I'm not sure what the space under the divider would be referred to? Public space? Private?

swatparent

As much as people want to pretend that children seeing feet moving under a stall door and hearing ACLU lawyers having sex is the same as other bodily functions, it is not. A bathroom is designed for urinating, defecating, and vomiting, it is not a room for sexual activity. There are designated places for sexual activities, such as bedrooms. I don't think that a bathroom has evolved enough into a place for sex for enough people to have accepted it as such. That would be the "sexroom" not the bathroom.

The ACLU declaring this before the SC primary, by the way, will raise Huckabee's vote count. This is exactly the type of liberal idiocy that people vote against when they vote for social conservatives. Maybe this idea was sprung by the Huckabee campaign to get out the vote.

Does anyone know which presidential candidates the ACLU primarily donates to? Besides the goodwill they donate to Huckabee?

scansmom

wow, that IS an interesting concept - just imagine: laws to protect children from being corrupted. Oh, wait! There already ARE laws like that aren't there, even laws such as contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Guess that idea is not so new after all.

And Hanna, I'd argue that for Craig to rely on the ACLU arguments on privacy as a defense for his case does in effect mean that he is admitting to guilt (again). Yet he is trying to withdraw his admission of guilt to a specific crime, not defend his reasons for acting the way he did; he is arguing that he did not do the act he was accused of, that his intent and actions were interpreted incorrectly. So the privacy argument will not help him with that argument; it is designed more to help the individual who admits he did the act/crime but is arguing that he should not be convicted for those actions based on a violation of a constitutional right to privacy (such as gay individuals in similar circumstances). The privacy argument is just a technicality for a guilty person to avoid conviction but will not help Craig's reputation at all (not that anything will at this point).

1of42

scansmom: Never disagreed with that. I was merely pointing out that such an argument has limitations like any other, and that the assuming that appealing to protecting children is in and of itself a finishing argument is misguided.

For the record, I'm not really condoning one side or the other in this debate, just pointing out that the privacy argument is not quite as horribly flawed as so many people here are saying it is.

07DAD

Forget merging----This is GREAT! Bathroom AND sex humor. And from straight females! Be still, my heart.

coureur

>>This is exactly the type of liberal idiocy that people vote against when they vote for social conservatives<<

Wait a minute. Isn't the ACLU riding to the rescue of Sen. Craig -- a Republican social conservative? Social conservatives all across the country should be applauding the ACLU for attempting to save one of their own.

marite

I think we are engaging in a bit of hyperbole. Sen. Craig was soliciting for sex; presumably, if the man in the next stall had agreed, they would have gone somewhere else to engage in sex. He was not proposing to have sex there and then. So I suppose he was charged with soliciting sex. Am I correct? I don't remember all the details.

Personally, I'd like regulations against people canoodling in public.

barrons

» Couple gets dirty at U. Wisconsin football game UWIRE: Powered by The Content Generation


For the women's restroom action.

swatparent

From the U-W article: "The woman, from Madison, Wis., and the man, from Stitzer, Wis., both in their early 20s, were immediately ticketed for lewd and lascivious conduct, evicted from the stadium, and forced to appear in court for the first time on Monday, Larson said."

This couple obviously needs the ACLU to intervene, so that they can continue to seek out bathrooms to have sex in. Maybe it's a fetish. They like to hear the toilets flushing around them.

Coreur: Republicans wanted Craig to resign, as they consider him a huge embarrassment and would not be asking the ACLU or anyone else to defend him. He is also from a state that would likely replace him with another Republican, so they have no stake in his longevity as a senator.

StickerShock

No, Marite, you are not correct. Of course, it's to your credit that trolling for sex in public restrooms isn't an area in which you have any expertise. Those of us who live in NJ are quite familiar with this phenomenon -- remember our esteemed Governor Jim McGreevey?

A friend who worked as a security guard in a Macys department store during college used to rouse men out of the stalls as part of his duties. One would stand in a Macy's shopping bag so only one pair of feet was showing. How clever.

swatparent

» Couple gets dirty at U. Wisconsin football game UWIRE: Powered by The Content Generation

This is from your competing thread and is about heterosexual sex in a U-Wisc female bathroom.