kluge

So, esmitty01 - your post is supposed to make me vote against Obama?

Stellena

"I read that piece written by a lady reporter. I thought she was having an orgasm just writing those words from the mouth of Lord Obama."

I am curious Simba: What behavior was this reporter displaying that indicated she was having an orgasm? And it was in public? On TV? Will
Fox News be replaying it?

afruff23

@parent2noles

Are you joking? McCain should be renamed McKeynes. His economic policies are probably from the 18th century since he said he would take "the Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith if he had to take a book other than the bible to the white house. He is a corporatist, which I consider to be a form of socialism.

Hillary is a capitalist at heart, but she panders heavily to the socialist-leaning democrats for votes.

Obama is the closest to a free market of the three which is kind of sad when you think about it considering he wants to expand all the entitlement programs.

A. Although I am anti-gun control, your historical analysis is very flawed. Do you really think you can stop tyranny with violence on a massive scale? Look what happened in France after several violent revolutions. They are the closest to fascism in Europe.

B. I don't yet knoe if that quote is in contesxt (some say Wright was talking about Syphillis), so no comment here except that patriotism is mutually exclusive with logic.

C. So what if they take jobs? Are you entitled to a job simply because you are born in America? No.

simba

kluge: It just shows insensitivity.

Stellena

Simba, what shows insensitivity?

I think describing a reporter as having an orgasm shows insensitivity.

mom2three

"Ugh, I can't wait for someone to bring up McCain's son. His son probably has one of the cushiest jobs in the military, toasting wine with the generals." - saransay

Um, McCain is fair game. He's running for president. His son, however, who is the same age as my boys, enlisted in the Marine Corps and has served in Iraq, and as far as I can tell from what I have read has actively rejected any attempts at special treatment, and his father has NOT capitalized on his son's service. Even the New York Times isn't running his picture, because he may be sent on another tour.

IMO, lay off a young man who is serving his country.

parent2noles

aruff, it's considered more polite and workable to respond to remarks in context (i.e. within the same thread, so folks can figure out what you're talking about), otherwise your comments may be overlooked.

afruff23

@parent2noles

What do you mean? I posted my response in the same thread: "McCain's Lack of Experience".

parent2noles

What does this mean?

A. Although I am anti-gun control, your historical analysis is very flawed. Do you really think you can stop tyranny with violence on a massive scale? Look what happened in France after several violent revolutions. They are the closest to fascism in Europe.

B. I don't yet knoe if that quote is in contesxt (some say Wright was talking about Syphillis), so no comment here except that patriotism is mutually exclusive with logic.

C. So what if they take jobs? Are you entitled to a job simply because you are born in America? No.

afruff23

The A, B, and C all correspond to the A, B, and C of your comment.

teriwtt

esmitty - give me a friggin' break. Go to his site... here, I'll give you the link: Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Sam Graham-Felsen's Blog: Senator Obama’s comments in response to the Clinton and McCain campaign’s attacks
and watch his entire response.

Talking about takings words out of context. I can't believe that journalist had the gall to report what she did (or shall I say editorialize) when the entire context of the speech is up for viewing.

esmitty01

regardless of whether or not it is out of context, obama has demonstrated, that if he had control, no american would own a gun. Look up his voting record, specifically his advocacy for back door lawsuits against gun companies (and hillary's)

both of them are socialist, not anywhere near capitalist. That must be a joke. Anti-tax cut, pro-socialized health care, and pro-tax the crap out of americans. That is socialism

"Although I am anti-gun control, your historical analysis is very flawed. Do you really think you can stop tyranny with violence on a massive scale? Look what happened in France after several violent revolutions. They are the closest to fascism in Europe."

Sorry bro, but i no my history. American gun owners are a much more massive force than any army on the world. Lets say 20 percent of Americans own guns, thats roughly a 60 million man army. Good luck controlling a country with a 60 million man strong guerrilla force (we can hardly do that in Iraq with a fraction of the force).

"C. So what if they take jobs? Are you entitled to a job simply because you are born in America? No."

Are they entitled to use my taxes to pay for their hospital bills? no. Many people get here legally, and earn jobs. I don't see why mexicans think they don't have too.

afruff23

"American gun owners are a much more massive force than any army on the world. Lets say 20 percent of Americans own guns, thats roughly a 60 million man army. Good luck controlling a country with a 60 million man strong guerrilla force (we can hardly do that in Iraq with a fraction of the force)."

I don't think you understand what I was saying. Of course, a populist revolution will succeed in its short-term goals but in the long-term nothing will be achieved as the underpinnings of what caused the problems still remain (e.g. coercion). See: France.

"Are they entitled to use my taxes to pay for their hospital bills? no. Many people get here legally, and earn jobs. I don't see why mexicans think they don't have too."

So are you arguing against the welfare system and regulations or are you arguing against immigration? Using your logic, poor US citizens should have to demonstrate that breeding will not result in a net tax cost before they can have babies. People who come here and use socialized services are not the ones perpetrating evil, but rather the ones who set up the system (e.g. politicians).

BTW, I don't know what you think illegal immigrants do, but the vast majority of them get jobs and don't collect much welfare. Yes, I know there is subsidized housing and roads, but you are making it seem like they come here and live off welfare checks which is clearly not true.

"both of them are socialist, not anywhere near capitalist. That must be a joke. Anti-tax cut, pro-socialized health care, and pro-tax the crap out of americans. That is socialism"

McCain fits that bill as well. He is not going to get rid of medicare. He is not getting rid of the inflation tax (e.g. printing of US dollars which devalue savings). Furthermore, capitalism is based on the idea of voluntary exchange. Funding a massive world-dominating army by force is not capitalism.

teriwtt

Oh, I didn't realize it was now OK to take things out of context and create your own reality. By not agreeing or disagreeing with my remark regarding context, I assume you can justify doing so because you don't agree with his stance on gun control.

If you are against someone's policies, then don't vote for them; but don't take comments they made out of context in order to smear them.

simba

teriwit: give me a friggin' break.....the link is bait and switch. Not the original comment. Kool-aid time.

Obama made the original comments while speaking to a group of wealthy California donors in San Francisco over the weekend. The Huffington Post quotes him specifically singling out towns in Pennsylvania, where he’s trying to woo voters and overcome Clinton’s lead in the polls before the state’s April 22 primary.

“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

The comments, which can also be heard in an audio recording later posted on the Huffington Web

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04...-town-america/