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Old 04-15-2008, 08:24 PM   #61
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What free pass? The press had a field day w/ the whole Wright issue.

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In essence, McCain and Hillary are being judged for being experienced.
What experience (foreign policy) does Hillary have? (The same kind that the late Lady Diana had.)

And both McCain and Hillary, for all their combined "experience" - were both wrong on Iraq.
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Old 04-15-2008, 08:30 PM   #62
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poetsheart - perhaps Simba can explain it better, as it's been over 25 years since my required Texas Government class in college, but I do remember heated discussions about it (just not the details).
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Old 04-15-2008, 08:33 PM   #63
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Btw, I guess we should do away w/ the Martin Luther King, Jr. national holiday since King, himself, gave speeches w/ similar remarks when he spoke before a black audience.

Now, I don't agree w/ the wording of some of Wright's speeches, but I can understand where that anger is coming from.
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Old 04-15-2008, 09:27 PM   #64
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B&p: Speak for yourself. Obama has not cheated on his wife. Is infidelity a function of how long one is married, or of one's ethics? Sorry, I don't buy the argument. I have been married for nearly 38 years, by the way.

Errors of judgment can be corrected by experience; ethical lapses have nothing to do with experience or age.
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Old 04-18-2008, 05:26 PM   #65
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...the media having a field day with obama over the Wright issue.


Rightly so! This is at front and center what sort of person your possible next president is. The Rev Wright's racist and phony surmon could not have been an exception of what this man is. And the Obama's stayed with him. Serious questions must be asked.

Incidently the Rev Wright have moved into an expensive,white neighborhood. No doubt to keep tab on the evil whites.
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Old 04-18-2008, 06:50 PM   #66
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Incidently the Rev Wright have moved into an expensive,white neighborhood. No doubt to keep tab on the evil whites
I think he wants to move away from the poor. He does not have to worry about gang violence and high crime at his new place of abode.


The ultra liberal blogs and Obama followers are going nuts after their boy was roughed up a bit by George and Charlie. Some of them are putting up a petition to send to advertisers of ABC to boycott the station.

The opinion section (A16, 04/18/08) of the WSJ summed it up the best

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The parsons of the press corps are furious with Charlie Gibson and George Stephannopoulos of ABC News, which means the pair must have done a pretty good job moderating Wednesday Democratic debate in Philadelphia. Barack Obama had an off-night, so his media choir wants to shoot the questioners.
The left wing circus is the latest show in town. These people are as bad as the neo-cons, if not worse.

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Old 04-18-2008, 07:22 PM   #67
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There was actually an interesting article in Time on the correlation between "experience" and being thought of as a "good" president. No surprisingly, there was no direct correlation -- some with a lot of experience were terrible presidents, some were great, some with little experience were terrible, others were great. If you wanted experience, you all should have supported Richardson. Obama got a free pass for a while for the same reason Huckabee did on the Republican side, he was new, different, exciting and had a relatively short life/track record to tear apart. At first, the swoonimg fans and stunning caucus victories were the story. But now that Obama is pretty much the leading Democrat, the spot light now turns negative. That's the turn around we've seen the past month. It's easy for the media to go after Clinton -- she's such a compulsive liar she provides them new material every time she speaks. They have nothing on Obama, so they have to extend their search to his circle of confidants, aquantainces and friends. Now, I think you don't have to oppose Obama because of Wright or Ayres or poorly phrased comments (not being proud of America, the bitter voters) but because he's another tax and spend liberal. But that's just me.
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Old 04-18-2008, 07:28 PM   #68
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...The Rev Wright moved into expensive,white neighbord to get away from the poor and gang violence


Is that a sarcistic joke ? I can't tell, Tega, if you think that's a good or bad reflection for the Reverend Wright ?
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yourworld, I was quoting you. I think he moved because he probably wanted a safer area to live.

I don't know if it is a good reflection on him, but for a guy that hates white people, the last place I would expect him to move to is a place controlled by rich white people.
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Old 04-18-2008, 09:37 PM   #70
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The Reverend Wright was saying how unsafe he was among Whites, and how the government injected blacks with the AIDS virus. How could he had moved to the epicenter of enemy territory, unless this man is like, a phoney ?
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yw - He's just a rabble rouser who made a living merely telling people just what they wanted to hear & patently giving them an excuse for why their lives aren't what they could have been.

Either he actually believed all the tripe he fed those parishoners all those years (in which case he's not much of a patriot to say the least), or he doesn't believe it and that would make him a hypocrite.

I guess he'd be a hypocrite either way - b/c if he believes all that stuff & then moves into a white neighborhood it seems like mixed signals. Who needs a 10,000 sf house anyway? (Is that being paid for from donations to his church? Can you say "Jim Bakker"?).
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:25 PM   #72
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I wouldn't dismiss Reverend Wright so lightly. He's more than a spinster. He entices people to hate their government. He destroys lives instead of uplifting them. And there are more Rev Wrights out there to take advantage of the disadvantaged.
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:18 PM   #73
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"Rightly so! This is at front and center what sort of person your possible next president is. The Rev Wright's racist and phony surmon could not have been an exception of what this man is. And the Obama's stayed with him. Serious questions must be asked."
So why didn't Hillary and all the neocon talking heads also denounce MLK, Jr. instead of (faint) praising him?

MLK, Jr., after all, had stated similar things in speeches.
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