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interesteddad:

Is it true that Obama is saying differnt things to black and white audience. Does these things apper on you tube?

edvest1

"Changes are gonna come..." in musical tone
"Changes are gonna come..." in musical tone
"Changes are gonna come..." in musical tone

Blacks will come a-marching...and whites will have to do all the changing !

That's what Rev Wright is saying. No defending him. Listen to somebody long enough, the truth comes out.

interesteddad

He always has. Turns on an urban black dialect for black audiences and quotes speeches given by Malcolm X in the Spike Lee movie talking about how "they" (the white oppressor) is "bamboozling" them, "hoodwink" them, give them the "okie-doke". The national media missed it because, well frankly, they don't go to Spike Lee movies. But, the audiences didn't miss it. Not with Obama lifting whole sections from Malcolm X anti-white rants from the movie.

He did this all over S. Carolina while having the audacity to call the Clintons racists.

Hey, give the man credit. It worked for him. He used a 90-10 advantage among black voters to win a slew of primaries in states that will vote hard-core for Republicans in the fall. The DNC stacked the deck by awarding double delegates to districts that voted for Kerry in 2004. Of course, in many states the only districts voting Democratic are black districts.

Look at state after state: Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee....Clinton won every county in these states except the inner city districts (where Obama got double delegates based on the rules.)

Basically, the Democratic nominating process is gerry-rigged to prevent nominating anyone with the appeal in suburban and rural counties necessary to win in November.

Thank you, Howard Dean.

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"Look at state after state: Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee....Clinton won every county in these states except the inner city districts (where Obama got double delegates based on the rules.)

Basically, the Democratic nominating process is gerry-rigged to prevent nominating anyone with the appeal in suburban and rural counties necessary to win in November."

I have seen it but not thought about it. But if they are not going to elect a cenrist candidate, it will realy hurt them in fall election. It does not make sense as democract are shooting themselves in the general election.

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Now CNN is saying Obama prayed secretly in Illinois House. But resecinded him in public view befor anoouncing his candidacy. Was this done to show bad things. This apperas very damaging things. Why such a bright person will have such kind of behavior? Moreaand more questions are really disturbing me as a democract.

interested dad:

This seating of half delegates forMichigan and Florida when it was revoked that democract will not allow anyone to sit?

interesteddad

Just look at the abject cynicism of his association with Rev. Wright and Trinity United. This southside Chicago church is a hot bed of ultra left wing black politics. These soundbytes represent a steady drumbeat. Obama used this radical church as his political base when he ran for office in a district represented in Congress by former Black Panther. Look who was in the audience at the National Press Club -- a veritable who's who of black intelligentia.

Now, for a national white audience, Obama lies and says he had no idea what ideology was being espoused in his church of 20 years by his pastor of 20 years.

He has to lie now. Nobody would believe Barack Obama, of wealthy Honolulu prep school, Columbia, and Harvard Law School fame if he tried to associate himself with oppressed peoples to a white audience.

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I disagree with you on one count as prep school take many kids who come from very modest background. If prep school took him and he was poor, then he must be bright. I thought he came from a very ppor background and rose through the ranks by hard work.


But the question is his judgement and how will he unite the party. How will he attarcting poor white or poor asians like me and create a sustaiable base. I hope he does well in Indiana otherwise it will create more prolems for democract. I will support whoever nominee may be but it is with extremely unease.

interesteddad

Of course. But, they do it time after time after time. The latte liberals control the party. That's why they've only elected one President in 32 years (a centrist from Arkansas, despised by the party elites).

But, it's even worse. Imagine how strong a candidate Obama could have been if he had actually knuckled down in the Senate for two terms, gotten some desperately needed experience, and built an actual record to run on. He would have been a shoo-in to get elected at age 54 as the country's first black President and the Dems could have ridden a 16 year wave.

Instead, they are all but certain to lose a sure-bet election against McCain and basically be wiped out as far as national elections. Obama is already killing the downticket races. Do a Google search for the TV ad the Republican is running this week in Miss., tying the Dem to Obama's "radical" politics and religion.

1sokkermom

Good grief. It's ok to totally bash Obama, but nothing bad shall be said about Hillary. Good grief.

interesteddad

Last August. The meeting of the Rules Committee is on C-SPAN. The party rules called for a 50% loss of delegates, but candidates allowed to campaign and 50% delegates seated -- just like the Republicans.

An Obama delegate to the rules committee made a motion to change the rule and Obama superdelegate Donna Brazille rammed it through the committee -- disenfranchising two critical large states in the November election. The Democrats lost the 2000 election by 200 votes in Florida. It's truly insane.

Hindoo

I agree, 1sokkermom. The hatred leveled at Obama on this thread is hard to believe. I think I'll mosey on down the road to friendlier pastures.

interesteddad

Just turn on your TV for that.

But, just for you, I'll say something nice about Obama's press conference today. At least he wasn't riding around on a tank or windsurfing.

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1sokkermom:

Because of the Hillary past, I voted for Obama. I belived he is a differnt kind of person who will win nomination and have a chance to win the general election. By with past events coming out of closet, I an shaken is a understaetement.

Is asking and rasing issue such a bad thing? I yhink he will win nomination and hope he chooses a centrist to help him.

mercymom

idad - is that true about Fla and Mich? they changed the rule? and they did it last august? what if it had been Obama who'd won Fla and Mich, that would have hurt him. how could his people know back then hrc would take those states? on tv and on the radio Donna Brazille says she's undecided; is that not true?

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"and they did it last august?"

so it was chnaged before even the primary started. Wwll they did not change in the middle of the game. Everyone agreed. This is not an issue for me in that case.

In the end we need to support whoever is nomine is as democract are going to loose otherwise. Be it Obama or HRC