The Rev Wright Won't Go Away - Page 19

teriwtt · 04-30-2008, 08:24 PM

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Re #257: Governorships don't represent the "national" experience you referred to in #253

Especially in the Lone Star State, governorships have less power than one would think (unless you're from Texas and know about state government structures)

b'smom · 04-30-2008, 08:53 PM

NBC should hire Rev Wright to play Obama on SNL-he's pretty funny although I'm sick of the media harping on him. I wish they would let up. It's ridiculous.

babar · 04-30-2008, 09:46 PM

tega - you are right; muzzle was an unfortunate verb. I wish we did not live in a youtube nation where any and everything is fodder for analyis 24/7. I am sure there are plenty of hurt feelings around - enough for both parties to justify - but it's my opinion that Wright ought to have the wisdom and grace to allow Obama to continue on the path to a presidential nomination rather than take him down regardless of whether or not he helped him in the early days.

parentny · 04-30-2008, 10:05 PM

{block}"Perhaps onlookers were surprised by Obama's harsh words, but Wright predicted such an outcome in an interview in The New York Times more than a year ago.

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," he said in April 2007. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said, 'Yeah, that might have to happen.' "{/block}

Can Obama close the door on Wright? - CNN.com

This somehow link that obama knew the Rev Wright views all along and did not disclose. This is very sad that Barack claimed all along he did not know the Rev. Wright views.

1of42 · 04-30-2008, 10:18 PM

...ouch. That puts the final nail in the coffin for me; I simply cannot believe, given that kind of public interview Wright gave (and there is absolutely no way Obama's campaign, and by extension Obama himself, was unaware of it), that Obama didn't know exactly who Wright was and what he was saying all along. The only explanation I can see for it is that Obama wanted to use Wright's black credentials and hoped that his other issues wouldn't expose themselves.

bz2010 · 04-30-2008, 10:47 PM

tega & 1of42 - I think you're both right! (270 & 275).

It's interesting to try to surmise what the nature of the Wright/Obama relationship is - and how it has evolved. We'll probably never know how/why it got to this point (unless someone writes a book!), but it one of the most curious political developments I can recall.

Just how all of this will play out is another provocative subject...

If anything would give Hillary a shot at the nomination, this is it.
Funny that her candidacy has been somewhat revitalized and, as far as I can tell, it isn't the result of any trick she or Bill pulled out of their sleeves! (Or is it?

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Wonder if she has any chance...

1of42 · 04-30-2008, 10:55 PM

Well, as I have said before (in this very thread, as I recall), I've been giving Obama lots of rope on this one - from the inception of this controversy I've defended him, as it seemed he was above what he was being accused of. I'm slightly ashamed to have been so effectively swayed by the saintly image he has projected throughout the campaign, but that's water under the bridge.

I'm not particularly angry about it either, just a little bit disappointed - though I never fully believed the "Saint Obama, Visionary Leader" monikers he's been attracting, I would've much rather that turned out to be the case than what we're facing now. Especially because my own research over the past few days makes me think IDad is right about the math regarding Obama's chances in November. I don't think McCain will be as bad as GWB, and should probably be much better (he has a much narrower set of issues that he is an ideologue about, and is much more pragmatic overall in my opinion), but I would still prefer either Democrat - and unless something dramatic happens, I get the increasingly sinking feeling McCain could be the next President.

interesteddad · 04-30-2008, 11:18 PM

None of this Wright/Obama stuff is new. It's been out there since Rolling Stone wrote about it in a feature story called, "The Radical Roots of Barack Obama" (they later changed the name of the on-line version to "Destiny's Child") back in Feb. 2007.

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The Trinity United Church of Christ, the church that Barack Obama attends in Chicago, is at once vast and unprepossessing, a big structure a couple of blocks from the projects, in the long open sore of a ghetto on the city's far South Side. The church is a leftover vision from the Sixties of what a black nationalist future might look like. There's the testifying fervor of the black church, the Afrocentric Bible readings, even the odd dashiki. And there is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a sprawling, profane bear of a preacher, a kind of black ministerial institution, with his own radio shows and guest preaching gigs across the country. Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. "Fact number one: We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he intones. "Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!" There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power that make Obama sound like John Kerry. Now the reverend begins to preach. "We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!" The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: "And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS S***!"

The Rezko mess was out there too. Obama's just gotten a free ride from his fawning admirers in the media.

CNN's a perfect example. They barred all Clinton supporters from appearing. Yet, Roland Martin is so in the tank for Obama he has his own blog on Obama's website. Appears everyday on CNN. Same with Donna Brazille.

Most of the on-air talent at MSNBC has to stop and smoke a cigarette after they do their Obama stories.

That's Obama's crowd. Yuppie beltway latte swillers.

I'm the biggest political junkie in the world. I watch cable news for a congressional election. I haven't watched one minute of TV news since the end of January. Sworn off it completely. Never plan to go back. It's a sewer. Disgraceful. The mainstream media is covering this election like the NY Times and Judith Miller "covered" the build-up to the Iraq invasion. Pure spin. Pure lies. Pure agenda. Disgraceful.

interesteddad · 04-30-2008, 11:46 PM

For all the handwringing over Roe v Wade and Iraq, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the ultimate irony of the Democratic Party meltdown:

1) Obama wins the nomination with 92% of the black vote

2) Obama loses in a Dukakis-like landslide

3) McCain appoints one more Republican Supreme Court justice.

4) Affirmative Action is ended permanently in the United States

Oh, the irony.

interesteddad · 05-01-2008, 12:04 AM

Are you talkin' about the same John Kerry who said this week that health care reform was off the table for the next President?

The John Kerry who got a spine transplant from a jelly fish? And his political instincts from a rock?

TerpDad · 05-01-2008, 12:10 AM

It's getting awfully crowded under that bus. I see gramma, the pastor, and a whole lotta of other folks who stuck by B.O.! It took a drop in the polls to finally see what every one else saw in Rev. Wright. Those we don't vet we soon regret!!!

Mr Payne · 05-01-2008, 12:15 AM

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For all the handwringing over Roe v Wade and Iraq, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the ultimate irony of the Democratic Party meltdown:

1) Obama wins the nomination with 92% of the black vote

2) Obama loses in a Dukakis-like landslide

3) McCain appoints one more Republican Supreme Court justice.

4) Affirmative Action is ended permanently in the United States

Oh, the irony.

Oh snap. I'm sure Michelle Obama would be very pleased about that one.

Mr Payne · 05-01-2008, 12:21 AM

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Wright's speech to the NAACP in Detroit was one of the best speeches on education given. Compare it to the new Bush book "Tyrone" and the No Child Left Behind Act.

Oh yeah? I thought it was something that Charles Murray could have written.

interesteddad · 05-01-2008, 12:29 AM

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Oh snap. I'm sure Michelle Obama would be very pleased about that one.

Do you get the sense the Michelle Obama has ever been pleased about anything in her life? I know she'd never been proud to be an American.

Mr Payne · 05-01-2008, 12:35 AM

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Do you get the sense the Michelle Obama has ever been pleased about anything in her life? I know she'd never been proud to be an American.

Well, technically, she's just never been proud to be an American in her adult life...