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05-06-2008, 05:39 PM
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In general, retailers did not pass on all of the intended savings.
| This is a very good point - who's to say any of the gas tax moratorium cash will really be passed on to the consumer - especially if it's for a short duration like a few months? |
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05-06-2008, 06:50 PM
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| Hint--oil companies do not set the pump prices at most gas stations as they are not owned or controlled by the oil companies. Most are local businessmen. |
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05-06-2008, 07:36 PM
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Hint--oil companies do not set the pump prices at most gas stations as they are not owned or controlled by the oil companies. Most are local businessmen.
| Actually I've heard that the San Diego area has a very high percentage of oil company owned stations hence the higher prices here than in many other areas of the country. |
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05-06-2008, 09:19 PM
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| Then you have proven my point. (most) |
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05-06-2008, 09:57 PM
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| ^^ Yes, but I still have to contend with abnormally high prices due to a lower than normal (as in most of the country - your point) number of independent stations. Oh well, the price of living in paradise. |
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05-07-2008, 10:17 AM
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| Take a hike. |
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05-07-2008, 10:46 AM
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| Actually, the retail price of gas is almost always set with a small range of cents per gallon above what the wholesaler's charge - whether the station is independent or company owned. There's very little markup in relation to the total price. A lot of independent stations can lower prices a little by shopping around among different suppliers for the best wholesale price, but that effect is limited. If all of the oil companies are charging the same per gallon at the wholesale level, retail prices have to correspond to that. So in practical terms, the oil companies do set the pump price, within a pretty narrow range. |
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05-07-2008, 12:02 PM
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| Ultimately, the voters saw Hillary's "holiday" as the elitist pandering it was. It would (arguably) have saved the average motorist $28. But it would have saved folks with multiple SUVs, boats on the lake, etc. hundreds of dollars, while doing nothing to impact the long term problem.
The more she talked about, the more she went to small towns in Indiana and pandered, the more elitist she looked. |
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05-07-2008, 12:05 PM
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| And the uber elite Obama who started chugging beers and expressing his love for the common working man was not pandering away from his base? |
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05-07-2008, 12:09 PM
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| It wasn't Obama who was drinking whiskey with beer chasers. (Good thing that Wellesley had prepared her for the challenge.)
But - to put it bluntly - we saw which "pandering" worked, and which didn't. One candidate called it for what it is, and one didn't. And now there's only one. |
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05-07-2008, 12:19 PM
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05-08-2008, 04:32 PM
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Obama should explain why he was for a gas tax holiday (voting for it twice in the Illinois state legislature) before he was against a gas tax holiday.
| Uhhh, b/c he and many others thought it was a good idea at the time.
Unlike Hillary’s shameful (well, not to her) pandering, Obama LEARNED from the experience various states/counties have had w/ doing away or capping the gas tax (IL, FL, NY, etc.) and the end result showed that there wasn’t much benefit to the consumer (since companies up and down the gas supply chain tend to add a penny or two to their cost upon gas tax “relief”) and that it decimated state/local budgets w/ regard to infrastructure maintenance/repairs (what happened to Hillary talking about the drastic need for infrastructure investment after the Minny bridge collapse?).
Well, if Hillary isn't willing to listen to the experts/economists - how about looking at the experience of her own state (that she supposedly represents)? Counties rethinking gas tax caps | PoughkeepsieJournal.com | Poughkeepsie Journal Quote:
Yet Rockland County dropped its county cap late last year and other counties, including Schenectady, Orange and Albany, also abandoned a cap after some determined the savings was simply going back to oil companies.
"It is clear that the intended savings for Albany County drivers was a windfall for the oil industry," Albany County Comptroller Michael Conners said in a 2006 report.
| Gee, Hillary seemingly have no clue about what is happening in the state that she is supposed to represent (shocking!).
And oh, btw, interesteddad – maybe you should pose the same question to Hillary?
Here was Clinton in June 2000 when she was running for the U.S. Senate, opposing any idea of touching the gas tax: Quote:
Campaigning in the Hudson Valley, Lazio continued a two-day assault on Clinton's support of maintaining the 18-cent federal gas tax and then used tough rhetoric to declare that "trust" and "character" were campaign issues during an evening fundraiser in Manhattan that raised more that $1 million. Clinton, meanwhile, lashed out at Lazio's plan to repeal 4.3 cents of the gas tax, calling it "a bad deal for New York and a potential bonanza for the oil companies." |
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