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Old 05-04-2008, 03:06 PM   #1
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what's the larger history of your family's woes and fortunes?

I know as an HS senior I shouldn't be making a thread here, but I just really wanted adults' perspectives on things.

It has struck me how a lot of unfortunate things related to the education process has sometimes led to good results. For example, if the Russian Revolution had not occurred and millions of people had not been killed, then probably Sputnik would never have been launched and American science and engineering education would not have received its much-needed revival and possibly the American education system would still be languishing.

Now, having recently read Voltaire's Candide, I'm really wary of saying that such misfortune occurred for the best, but sometimes it does seem that Providence has intentionally put me on the rougher path for a better life.

I wasn't born into a low-income family. But it strikes me that if my parents' divorce had not occurred and if our house hadn't been taken away, I wouldn't have returned to my birth country to receive a new jolt in my education or have been exposed to the cultural wealth that I did; I would remain a shallow perfectly assimilated child with little idea about the current system's failings in dealing with multiculturalism. I would have probably become a whitewashed snob.

My parents were initially poor too, but they built their way up; my father's family farmed ducks in Malaysia, and it happened that one day he happened to become interested in electric circuits, and from there, UNIX. My mother actually came from a formerly fairly-prosperous family. At one point my maternal grandmother was a shrewd investor who had accumulated hundreds of thousands of dollars in shares; she owned a bungalow near the city centre (having your own yard is a big thing in Singapore, since land is super expensive). But it strikes me that if my mother's family hadn't hit upon misfortune, at this point my family would probably have been landed brats with a tradition of sending children to top local schools, with no appreciation of our fortunes. My family wouldn't have migrated to America, and I too, would have remained culturally shallow and ignorant.

Both my maternal grandparents too, started out poor. My grandfather came to Singapore as a coolie from southern China because of the Chinese Civil War. He worked his way up and became a gourmet chef at the Raffles Hotel, schooled in the French tradition, and then later becoming a multilingual police chief.

There is a proverb in Chinese, "No family fortune lasts three generations." This is more a trend than a hard and fast rule. The basic idea is that a lot of family fortunes in Chinese history start out with a poor man who works his way up and becomes prosperous; his son who grew up poor with his father knows the meaning of money and manages the finances shrewdly. The grandson is spoiled and wastes it all away. The cycle begin anew. This really doesn't apply so much to my family's situation, but it reminds me a lot about the idea of social mobility.

This rather long rantish thought began with thinking about the demographics of college students, and I'm just really curious about the bigger family stories of privilege (or lack thereof) among CC'ers, especially now that many here, regardless of their family's income background, are receiving great opportunities? When you reflect on past misfortunes, would you wish they had happened any other way?
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:55 PM   #2
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Galoisien: You have a wonderful perspective on life and you will go far!!! Talk about "the glass half-full!!"

But I'm not sharing my family's ups and downs. Waaaaay too boring, even to me.
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:07 AM   #3
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I lived in a third world country and attended boarding school from ages 13-18, and I do sometimes ponder how my life might have turned out differently if I had stayed in the USA instead.

In my case, I would say that I developed more of a global perspective (which is good), but it took me much longer to figure out how to make a living (which I regret some).

As a parent, I see that so much is dependent on nature rather than nurture. Some individuals seem capable of overcoming almost any obstacle, such as your grandfather. Many more live their lives in less extraordinary ways, yet may still be content.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:15 PM   #4
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Your story, accented by the changing tides in China and Malaya/Malaysia in the last century, is a hard one to beat.

Though your idea is interesting, as we Americans tend to look at life with a smaller lens, perhaps thinking that self determination is all. There is value in looking at the trends over a few generations, and realize how various social and familial forces influence the path chosen.

Fendrock, I do see the kids of expats having a harder time figuring out how and where to land in life. Though to grow up like that-what a rich perpective!
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:35 PM   #5
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Adversity certainly builds character and having lived through it and come out happily the other side, I am definitely a different person than I would have been if all had been warm and fuzzy...but better for it? No way to know.

My parents emigrated to seek a better life and I was born in their new country. At 18, I left my birth country to seek a better life for me...now my children who by the grace of God have had the warm and fuzzy life I so wished I had, will likely also leave their birth country for opportunities not available where we are.

Adversity is not necessarily a prerequisite for growth but it certainly makes it more likely.
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