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05-05-2008, 07:40 PM
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| Hey. I'm just trying to help you out. It's embarrassing for you to attack someone for who they supported in a Presidential election while in high school.
Like many young adults in college, Clinton's politics changed from those of her father to her own views at the time of the 1968 election. I doubt she was the only student that year to experience a conversion. It was a polarizing summer of politics and unrest, starting with the assassinations of MLK and Robert Kennedy and culminating with the riots at the Democratic Convention in Chicago. | 
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05-05-2008, 07:47 PM
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And i believe you are forgetting her work in 1971 for the firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, members of which were admitted communists.
| You've got to kidding? Right? She was a summer intern during law school working on child custody cases for a firm in Oakland, one of whose partners had been a "Communist" during the 40s and 50s. Big whoop.
At least she wasn't smoking dope and doing cocaine in college. | |
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05-05-2008, 07:47 PM
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| Alright, i think you guys are forgetting something.
The reason why all of this "racial bloc voting" is so obvious right now is because we are dealing with two candidates who are running on VIRTUALLY THE SAME platform. This will be much less of a problem when there are substantive differences between the two candidates (and i think we can all agree that the democrats and the republicans have some BIG differences this election).
We also must note that the voters who make up Hillary's base, women, white working class, are much more aligned with the democratic stance on the Iraq war, the economy, and health care. Once they exit petty competition mode they will realize that Barack is far better than any republican for president, especially one that wants to "stay the course" in Vietna- I mean Iraq...
Finally if Hillary were to get the nod, she HAS to win the delegate count. She can't get by on just the popular vote. Why? Because you can't let black voters and young voters feel like the nomination was stolen from them. Especially among black voters, this would confirm their suspicion that the party does not work for them. NO democrat has ever won the presidency without carrying the black vote since the civil rights movement.
Clinton supporters can be reeled back into the party with the issues if given enough time, but black supporters of Obama would be dealt a possibly irreparable blow if their candidate won by the party rules and then the Clintons were allowed to change them. | |
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05-05-2008, 07:48 PM
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| IDAD- you're just trying to help me out. No you've just repeatedly insulted me, told me I know nothing, conveniently forget a few facts like the communist bent firm she worked for in 1971.
Perhaps you were also under Bosnian gunfire so you forgot a few things that went on. And gee thanks for the history lesson and your presumptions to go along with you're knowledge of everything. I worked for Gene McCarthy that summer, I remember it well.
As far as conversions, the trouble with your candidate is she has a conversion every time she thinks it will help her career. Again, she stands for NOTHING but herself.
And amazing YOU actually know her personal habits in college. Maybe you were there when she threw her non-existant book bag when she heard about Dr. King being shot. Give it a rest pal. You know nothing and are just a bully like your candidate. | |
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05-05-2008, 07:50 PM
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I'm not much younger than Hillary and I was never a Goldwater Girl.
| No offense, but who cares if you were a Goldwater girl in junior high school? I was ten when Goldwater ran. I know my father was a die-hard Republican. I think I was agnostic at age 10. I became a Democrat sometime around 1968 or so, although I couldn't vote until the '72 election. | |
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05-05-2008, 07:52 PM
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Finally if Hillary were to get the nod, she HAS to win the delegate count. She can't get by on just the popular vote. Why? Because you can't let black voters and young voters feel like the nomination was stolen from them. Especially among black voters, this would confirm their suspicion that the party does not work for them. NO democrat has ever won the presidency without carrying the black vote since the civil rights movement.
| Hillary's supporters already believe the nomination was stolen with the Michigan/Florida shenanigans. No Democrat will ever win without women voters.
Actually, you wouldn't be too far off to say that no Democrat has won since the Civil Rights Act was passed by LBJ. Only Carter, who was run out of town on the rails and Bill Clinton, the only Democrat elected to two terms since FDR. So, it's fair to ask, "how's that black vote thing working out for the Dems?" | |
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05-05-2008, 07:53 PM
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| I'm confused. which is worse? Goldwater or whitewater? | |
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05-05-2008, 07:59 PM
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As far as conversions, the trouble with your candidate is she has a conversion every time she thinks it will help her career. Again, she stands for NOTHING but herself.
| She's never voted "present' on an abortion bill. | |
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05-05-2008, 08:07 PM
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| Well she sure voted a resounding AYE to authorize the war in Iraq and doesn't have the guts, honesty or integrity to acknowledge that grotesque mistake that has cost over 4000 American families their sons and daughters.
And by the way, nice racist remark there in your post #53.
"That black vote thing"... Good lord.
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05-05-2008, 08:08 PM
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| I think she's met with more grieving families that you or I have. | |
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05-05-2008, 08:13 PM
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| Get. A. Clue.
Guys! Guys! Guys!
Interesteddad is a mole, working for Rush Limbaugh's Project Chaos. His priorites are:
1) Make Clinton look bad by being grossly offensive while posing as her supporter; and
2) Hurt all democrats by spewing bile and venom in every direction.
Interesteddad is a troll.
Don't feed the troll. | |
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05-05-2008, 08:17 PM
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| Hey Kluge!
Nice to see you. I'm trying my very best to honor your request from another thread. But. It's. SO. Hard. Must. Resist. Must. Get. Duct. Tape.  | |
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05-05-2008, 08:18 PM
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| Kluge, always a voice of reason. Thanks | |
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05-05-2008, 08:28 PM
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| well, maybe not a matter of troll vs. control or censorship but just gaining some perspective. | |
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05-05-2008, 10:09 PM
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| So interesteddad doesn't agree with your point, he is not officially a troll.
Grow UP!
The original question that I posted was should Hillary leave, it now has resorted to picking on someone who does not agree with your opinions!
Is he wrong(or misinterpreting the fact) to state that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl? Was he wrong to state Obama did Cocaine and walked in the Million Man March?
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If Obama got the nomination, I think Hillary's support of him would be half-hearted, and she'd be back to business here in NY State as the good senator she always was.
| I agree and stated that 4 pages ago...however, I would never vote for Obama in your line of thought... Quote: |
He's the true mother and cares more about his party's future and less about his own personal stake in it.
| If he cared at all he would not be running the ads that he is in NC.
Hate to say it to you, but Obama is starting to look more like a political machine than she does! Afterall, this is a guy who was a SENATOR for @13 mos. before announcing his candidacy (FEB 07), I would have more respect for him if he had actually had done something in the Senate instead of spending the time creating an exploration team to see if he had a chance to win! | |
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