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Old 05-05-2008, 04:02 PM   #1
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Moratorium on "gifted" and "brilliant"

A great many threads begin with descriptions of children as "gifted" or "brilliant," usually followed by a statement that they are underachieving (with a short or long explanation) and a plea for help. I have no problem with parents asking for suggestions about how to help their children succeed in school or in life; I'll give advice about just about any subject, whether I know anything about the subject or not. In addition, I can sling numbers with the best of them. But I'd like to call for a moratorium on the use of the terms.

When we tell our children they are gifted or brilliant, we can give them the sense that they are somehow entitled to special consideration. In fact, it doesn't matter if they can do relatively simple things a little more quickly and accurately than the average person. What matters is performance, and within a broad range, thoroughness, hard work and preparation will beat raw talent 9 times or more out of 10. This is the message that I will constantly give my children in the next life (having already screwed them up in this life).

So if your child has a painting hung in the Met, has performed in Carnegie Hall, or is starting at age 19 for the Rangers, I will concede that he is gifted. If he can get straight A's without studying at Harvard, I'll concede that he is brilliant. Otherwise, he's just a kid with strengths and weaknesses.
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:21 PM   #2
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I also think it's not really age appropriate. The whole "gifted" thing is a way to identify younger students (elementary school and middle school) who might benefit from differentiated instruction.
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:25 PM   #3
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amen

-- said by mother of a "gifted" student who seems gifted mostly in underachievement. OTOH, maybe i'm just bitter
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:29 PM   #4
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It was interesting to go to National Honor Society inductions...so many of the kids who were in my son's "gifted" classes weren't there, and so many of the "regular" kids were there. So much of success in high school lies in being "good at school." If Einstein was in high school today, he'd get a low grade in math and physics if he didn't turn in his homework. If Shakespeare was told to write a play for English class and turned in Hamlet 2 weeks late, he'd have a zero on the assignment. If you are good at school, there's a good chance that you'll be a good employee, but it doesn't have a lot to do with giftedness or brilliance.
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:33 PM   #5
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Being able to turn in your work on time is a gift.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:07 PM   #7
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Sorry, but I disagree with the suggestion.

When used correctly about intelligence, "gifted" refers to how a person's brain works. It is something that is permanent and will affect the person throughout their life just as having a learning disability would affect a person throughout their lives.

It's not bragging when a parent with an underachieving gifted student says their kid is "gifted." That info is important because it indicates that the student doesn't have low grades because of an inability to learn the work, but because of something else.

For instance, a parent may realistically be concerned about a gifted student who is holding a 3.0 unweighted gpa while carrying 7 AP courses that s/he never studies for. A parent of a smart, but not intellectually gifted student who is concerned about their kid who is studying hard to get a 3.0 would have completely different issues going on. The gifted student may be lazy or overly perfectionistic and/or may be blowing off school because even an AP-intensive courseload is too easy for them. The smart student may be carrying too difficult a course load.

Here are some of the ways that giftedness may affect people even in adulthood:
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CHARACTERISTICS OF THE GIFTED
Although of course all gifted individuals are unique, they do share certain characteristics. Some of these are present naturally, others have come into existence gradually through interaction with the environment. Cause and effect can therefore not always be distinguished from each other.

Speed of thinking. Gifted individuals think more quickly than others. They make many mental switches, associate rapidly and give the impression that they jump from one subject to the next.

High sensitivity. A higher development potential often is accompanied by high sensitivity7. This high sensitivity manifests itself in different areas: psychomotoric, sensorial, intellectual, imaginative, emotional,7 and can resemble ADHD.

Over-stimulation of the senses manifests itself auditively (machines, radios, smacking lips), visually (light sources) or sense of touch (certain fabrics, labels in clothing, or touching). Currently, there is a high level of interest being shown in high sensitivity in general8.

Introversion. The internal world of the gifted is particularly well-developed. They are quickly and easily hurt, which is why they tend to keep people at a distance. Some avoid parties and suchlike since the topics of conversation do not interest them. This can resemble autism9. Introversion can also arise through having the feeling of being rejected. People with high IQs would seem to have difficulty meeting like-minded people, which can quickly lead them to become isolated10.

Emotional development. Many gifted individuals feel emotions strongly. But because cognitive thinking dominates and provides safety, emotional development remains relatively underdeveloped. They have difficulty in linking feelings and reason. This can be reinforced when an individual has felt lonely from a young age. For example, when the environment does not acknowledge or recognize the child as being gifted. Fortunately, the emotional development of many gifted individuals has progressed well.

Creativity. The thought processes of the gifted differ from those of average intelligence: they are more global in nature and with a strong capacity for imagination. Averagely intelligent people can often not follow their train of thought. They can identify patterns quickly, so that they can, for example, predict trends successfully. They can often draw conclusions intuitively11. This creativity is often frustrated by the regular education system.

Independence. The forming of judgments and opinions often takes place autonomously. They are non-conformist and therefore display what teachers easily label as ‘inappropriate behavior’11. This independence accompanies the creativity mentioned above. They often have an aversion to non-democratic authority12.

Perfectionism. Perfectionism is often accompanied by having too high expectations of others, but also with shame, guilt feelings and feelings of inferiority through not being able to meet their own high expectations 9,13. This leads to tension and occasionally ‘paralysis’.

Learning style. The learning style of the gifted is often exploratory. They have an extreme dislike of learning lists, they find it uninteresting and become bored12. Often, they do not understand the teacher’s questions or the questions in the text books, because they are looking for things that aren’t there. This leads to frustration. Some gifted adults lack basic knowledge but have a lot of knowledge in areas that they are interested in. They often fail to develop learning strategies because they never learn from their failures9.

Fear of failure and under-performing. If their intelligence is not stimulated, children often develop bad working habits14. They sometimes think that they are stupid, become afraid of failure and start under-performing9. Their motivation to learn decreases. This can result later in frustrations and disappointments in their career...."
SENG: Articles & Resources - Gifted Adults in Work

As for "brilliant," in some cases, the term is justified and provides an accurate picture of a person's abilities. When used correctly, it is no more bragging or inappropriate than would be calling, for instance, Tiger Woods a brilliant athlete.

And, of course, just as is the case with giftedness, brilliance doesn't guarantee success or happiness nor does lack of brilliance or giftedness guarantee failure. Hard work, motivation, and other factors are very important.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:18 PM   #8
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Love this thread! Even if your child has a painting in the Met, etc. I still prefer the term high-achiever to gifted. To recognize someone for accomplishments makes sense to me.. to recognize them as having the potential for accomplishment is a different issue altogother imho.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:35 PM   #9
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" I still prefer the term high-achiever to gifted. "

But that's apples and oranges. An intellectually gifted person can be a high or low achiever, class valedictorian or the student who didn't even bother to get a high school diploma, a doctor or a bank robber, imprisoned or running the state's prison system.

When used correctly, "gifted" refers to a person's intelligence and how their brain works, not whether or not they get straight As or are on track to go to grad school.

Frankly, I think that in most schools, students who are smart, but are not gifted are much more likely than are gifted students to get high grades. That's because the smart, but not gifted students, are more likely to be motivated by grades, not the stimulation that the course offers. They also are more likely to give teachers what they want. Because gifted people think differently, they may have such a different perspective that they get lower than deserved grades on their assignments even though they worked hard on them and what they wrote was accurate.

For instance, I can remember older S (verbally gifted) writing a story for class when he was 8-years old. He loved to write, worked hard on the story, and wrote a much longer story than the teacher requested. His story was creative and hilarious. The teacher's reaction? She sent him to the principal's office for using (correctly) the word "asinine" in the story. The principal told my S, "We don't use words like that in this school."

Understandably, my S was very discouraged.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:47 PM   #10
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northstar mom, the problem with 'gifted' is the inherent positive specialness implied. (Afterall, you wouldn't say that someone is 'gifted' if they're hard of hearing.) It sets kids apart, making those not identified as gifted feel like they're 'not smart' and sometimes it gives unrealistic expectations to the kids/parents of kids who are. The ability to perform extremley well on certain tests (IQ, Ravens, etc) the ability to learn certain things almost instantenously (how to read/times tables/patterns/algebra etc.) is all great and dandy. But to succeed in school -- as in life -- you still need a certain amount of drive and discipline. And I can't tell you how many profoundly gifted kids I've met have neither.

Put it another way: I have a profoundly gifted kid and a regular kid. Guess which one does better in school? Which one had the better grades, more interesting/challenging ec's and a much better work ethic?

I say, gifted shmifted. I'd trade some 30 IQ points for homework turned in on time.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:52 PM   #11
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I don't have a problem with someone using the phrase gifted, just make sure it's accurate. The term has no meaning now because it's diluted by people who apply it to their kids.....and the kids aren't gifted or brilliant, they are "merely" smart.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:54 PM   #12
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Agreed Mr Payne... although I have to say that my gifted kid doesn't seem smart enough to figure out that his grades -- and therefore his whole school/home life! -- would be better if he.just.did.his.homework. So how smart can he be ???
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:56 PM   #13
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I say, gifted shmifted. I'd trade some 30 IQ points for homework turned in on time.
Now that is a lie if I've heard one. That's the difference between an engineer or a mechanic. Or a lawyer and a clerk. Or a doctor and an orderly.

Frankly, that's the difference between a college graduate in a technical major and a college dropout in physical education.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:58 PM   #14
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lmao yea 30 IQ points is alot--especially if you don't have many to spare.
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:02 PM   #15
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Well, OK. 25 points then.
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