poetsheart

Hillary will win both North Carolina and Indiana, Indiana by at least 5 percentage points, NC by 2 or 3.

At that point, the tide of the nomination race will inexorably turn in Hillary's favor. She will go on to win most of the other State's Primary's, and most of the "undecided" Superdelegates commit to Hillary.

The Republicans will immediately rev up the Hillary Slime Machine they've had idling for just such an eventuality, and then things will get really nasty. If people think all Bill and Hills "stuff" has been exposed and "vetted", they are in for a rude awakening.

This will be the most hate and invective filled Presidential race in US history, and most Americans will come out of it feeling angry and psychologically battered. Oh boy, I can't wait....!

Not!

interesteddad

It is virtually impossible, based on the demographics of the state and racial bloc voting, for a white candidate to win North Carolina's Democratic primary with an African American on the ballot.

Hillary winning NC today would require a collapse of unthinkable proportions in Obama's white support...something like a 70/30 split or worse.

poetsheart

I think that's entirely possible. The damage that's been done by the Wright controversy may have very well eroded Obama's white support to that degree in North Carolina. And I think the record high voter turn out in that state today bodes extremely well for Hillary. We'll know by about 8pm tonight though, won't we?

interesteddad

I'm surprised (well, actually I guess not) that Obama hasn't paid a price among his African American bloc for repudiating "the black church". That was an all-star crowd in support of Rev. Wright at the National Press Club, including luminaries such as Cornell West. Logically, it seems that repudiating that entire gathering of leaders would cost Obama a point or two, but that doesn't seem to be the case. All the polling from NC suggests that he will get his usual 90%+

I just don't see how Obama could lose NC. If that were to happen, he would be finished as a viable candidate, but the Democratic Party would probably opt to just go down with the ship anyway. After all, what's another loss?

xiggi

Does the "stuff" really matter? People who are prepared to accept every transgression by the "admirable" Clintons and people who will never accept their shenanigans are neatly divided.

No matter what happens in today's primaries, a better scenario could not have been written for McCain. Obama and Clinton will fight this one to the bitter end, and the most remarkable part is that the identity of the winner has lost almost all meaning. By the time the Democrat Party picks the candidate, voters will be so sick they won't care anymore.

interesteddad

Wait 'til the photos of Obama's pal Bill Ayers stomping on an American flag and saying "Guilty as hell, free as a bird, what a country!" get a little wider play. The photos just hit Hannity's show on FOXNews last night. By time the Republicans get done with Obama in November, he'll be finished -- like Dukakis.

He's such a fantatastic candidate. I can't figure out for the life of me why he didn't spend the next four or eight years laying a solid foundation. Clean up his Chicago messes. Build a record to run on. Get some legitimate big league experience.

I'll never understand his impatience.

xiggi

Perhaps he did not spend enough time in Washington to lose all the naive expectations that elections should be an open and just process. Or, perhaps he received the divine inspiration that it was his moral duty to save our country from the poisonous claws of the Junior Senator of New York.

We might never understand his impatience, but I surely applaud his decision for which I am most thankful. I also hope that I-Dad called the ominous future of that Democrat Party ... correctly.

interesteddad

Xiggi:

I agree that the Dems have, in all likelihood, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

However, Clinton would still have an outside shot in November. Ironically, if she were to emerge as the nominee by beating the lockstep vote of the African American bloc, she will have done what she tried to do from the very start: position herself as the candidate with centrist appeal who could attract working white Reagan Democrats. It's Sista Souljah on steroids.

Obama's crowd has done the heavy lifting for her by relentlessly pounding her as far too moderate for true Democrats. It is pretty obvious to independent and even Republican voters that the fringe wing of the Democratic party has rejected her policies -- her belief in toughness in national security, middle-class economic issues, etc. Being viewed as out of step with the far left of the Democratic Party can only help her in a general election.

interesteddad

He's from Chicago. He knows all about dirty elections. Ask him what he did to Alice Palmer. Or, who gave the sealed divorce records of his opponent in the Senate race to the media for him....

interesteddad

I've got mixed feelings. On the one hand, I'm sorry that the Democratic Party couldn't seize an historic opportunity to move to the center of American politics. I'm still left with neither party interested in representing my centrist views.

On the other hand, having seen in all its gore what the Democratic Party is really all about, I see no alternative but to blow it to smithereens on the heels of a Dukakis-like loss and hope that something emerges from the rubble that has some interest in appealing to a majority coalition of American voters -- a majority which, by definition, has to include significant appeal to moderate voters in the center.

bullwinkle

Beyond the fact that CNN and/or MSNBC will predict the winner once .0001% of the vote is in, today's elections are tough ones to call.

The polls have proved to be pointless in this campaign and they are completely out of date and out of touch. They are based on polling through land lines to private homes so they typically reach only a certain limited demographic.

The predictions are for huge turnouts which favor Obama as a large turnout indicates more first time youth voters and most first time/youth voters are solidly in Obama's camp.

The results of today are ultimately tangential as Clinton cannot catch Obama in the "voted" delegate count but only w/ the super delegates (or through whatever other mysterious new math system the Clinton's are constantly trying to sell).

The only prediction I would make is that unless Clinton just cleans up in both IN and NC today, which I do not think she will do, in the next few days the superdelegates will start coming out for Obama and this would then soon be over. Most of the "unannounced" super-delegates from Congress/Senate are for Obama and the math at this point is just too little to late for Clinton.

Although with that said, no matter what, she'll probably hang in there hoping something new, relevant or not, will come along to hurt Obama or the party or anything that will allow her to carry on with her delusional obsession.

teriwtt

You stinker! I fell for it.

zoosermom

"Or, who unsealed the sealed divorce records of his opponent in the Senate race for him...."

Now THAT is a good point. If not for that, he'd still be a state senator. He may personally have clean hands (I doubt it), but Senator Obama is no political innocent.

1sokkermom

I predict that Bill and Hillary will NEVER concede.

I predict that the Hillary spin machine will use "race" as the only reason for an Obama win in NC.

interesteddad

BTW. Rezko is not calling any defense witnesses in his federal trial. He's not accepting a plea bargain. He's going to fall on sword with a max. jail sentence in order to be a good soldier, keep his mouth shut, and protect the Chicago machine.