bullwinkle

Strongly agree that Clinton is continuing for several reasons:

To address fund raising and her 6.4 million personal debt.
To bring pressure for certain platform issues she may want.
To bring pressure to either have the VP nomination or that it go to one of her loyalists.
To just hang in hoping that something, anything will go wrong for Obama.

Her surrogates have already started this a.m. with the race baiting that Obama can't win the white vote and their divide of the party with the FLA and Michigan non-sense.

But, while the focus has been on the pledged delegates and the super delegates, one important factor has been ignored, the Munchkin vote and they have spoken as of last night:

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.

Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

But we've got to verify it legally, to see.....

To see?

If she.....

If she?

Is morally, ethically...

Spiritually, physically...

Positively, absolutely...

Undeniably and reliably...... Dead

As the voters we must aver, we've thoroughly examined her.
And she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.

Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old Witch at last is dead!

ONLY she still won't admit that it is true. On to West Virginia.

xiggi

Didn't the answer to that question save her campaign in New Hampshire? Are we preparing ourselves for an another Kleenex moment?

tega

I really don't understand some of Obama followers. Obama has to win about 70% of Clinton supporters in order to have a shot at the presidency, his voting coalition wont win even two states. I will urge you all to not antagonize Hillary supports. You can talk about why you are supporting Obama, but don't bash Hillary.

I will choose Hillary a million times before I choose Obama because she has been part of the system to bring real to a lot of people. I can't say that about Obama.

1sokkermom

Quote: "I will choose Hillary a million times before I choose Obama because they has been part of the system to bring real to a lot of people."


tega,
I have no idea what that means. Real what?

vicariousparent

I'm not sure if bullwinkle is an Obama "follower". Sounds more like a Hillary hater to me. I like Hillary but not as much as Obama. I like her less today than when the primary started.

xiggi

Haha! Tega, ever wonder why Republicans a la Rush Limbaugh are enjoying supporters ... like you. They lick their chops at the sight of the liberal "supporters" who tear one another apart despite having almost no issues to separate them but expressing a visceral (yep that word again) distaste for the others.

This fight will go on all the way to a dance on top of the coffin of the great Democrat Party.

Thank you for reminding us on how united, energized, and spirited your party is.

tega

Isokkermon, do some research on what she did for childern and families in Arkansas, I don't know a single accomplishment for Obama.

I don't want to get into a debate with anyone, I just want Obama followers to stop bashing Hillary. Obama will need about 70% of Hillary voters to stand a chance against MacCain.

Xiggi, I am liberal socially, but very conservative economically. I don't think there is a party for me. I agree with Republicans on a lot of economic issues, and I also agree with Democrats on a lot of social issues.

I think I will form my own party.

icantfindaname

I have to laugh at the concerns over the Clintons loaning their campaign money. Bill has made $100 million post being the president and Hillary would do the same. People don't seem to get that the payoffs that go to a President are not the White Water stuff before of during, it is afterwards. 250k for speeches no one cares about, 50,000 copies of your book that then go into storage or are given away free. Bloomberg spent 150 million for a job that pays 200k, so did Corzine. She is investing in a very profitable future (not ours however).

Consolation

I strongly doubt that she would have any interest in accepting a VP spot. Why do that when you already have a senate seat? The classic reason is that it would advance your presidential hopes. That would not be the case for H.

Speaking of lurking negatives for Obama, I'm wondering whether Michelle Obama will be unmuzzled at any point...the media loves her when they can compare her style to Jackie Kennedy. Not so much when people actually follow her around and listen to what she has to say or when they start poking into her professional life and dwelling on her compensation and the like...reinforcing the fact that with wives, it's all about looking good and keeping your mouth shut and NOT having a career. After hubby is elected you can safely endorse literacy or some other ladylike cause.

marite

Is that what Hillary did? What about those 35 years of experience and dealing with the "vast right-wing conspiracy?" She could have stayed home and baked cookies, hmmm? But she chose not to.

icantfindaname

The final strategy for the Clinton's is simple. Bill has a note from his sex therapist that he needs regular visits to the Oval Office as a part of his treatment. Come on help the guy out.

razorsharp

Clinton is closer to McCain's stature than is Obama.

McCain has a lot of experience. Obama has very little. Clinton has much more than Obama.

McCain will be perceived as strong on national defense. Obama is weak on national defense. Clinton has served on several national security committes and recently said the US would blow up Iran if Iran used nuclear weapons on Israel (thereby saving the Jewish vote). Clinton won't be perceived as a wimp, Obama will be perceived as a wimp.

McCain has worked with Democrats over and over again. Obama has never worked with Republicans. Clinton has worked with Republicans and will be perceived as a uniter. Obama will be perceived as a liar becuase he says he will bring people together but he has never joined with the Republicans on issues important to them.

McCain will keep the tax cuts. Clinton will raise them only a little. Obama will raise capital gains taxes back to 28 percent which will impact seniors most of all. Obama will not get the senior vote.

McCain is a moderate. Clinton is moving from liberal to moderate in her public policies. Obama is remaining far left and won't move to the middle, period.

In short, Obama is a good talker but he is toast in a general election. Clinton has a realistic shot. Current polls mean nothing.

Consolation

tega, I agree. The only thing that really bothers me about Obama is a certain segment of his supporters. Their behavior at our local caucus was obnoxious and immature (and I'm talking about 60 yr olds, in addition to the 18 yr old whom they chose as their speaker). They were unable to answer the simplest of policy questions posed by us undecideds. Instead they attacked the H rep. Their statements that they will stamp their tiny feet and go home if their candidate is not nominated fill me with scorn. The important issue is not their hero-worship. The lives and futures of millions of people are at stake. They need to grow up.

John McCain would have us in Iraq ad infinitum. We would squander untold billions and thousands of lives. It would be the ruination of us. That is what Democrats need to keep in the forefront of their minds.

Personally, I wish John Edwards had stayed in the race, but I will support either candidate. It's too important not to.

Consolation

Re #70, no, of course that is not what she did, and that is PRECISELY my point. There is and always has been a certain segment of the population that hates her for it.

marite

So what would you advise Michelle Obama to do? Have a career, have opinions, or go home and bake cookies?

Your post 69 is mighty confusing.