zoosermom

"hummm.....might you perhaps have been having a little confab with the ghost of Ron Brown recently...."

Vince Foster is my Spirit Guide.

mini

""The analogy isn't apt. South Korea WELCOMED the U.S. in. Saudi Arabia, and every other Arab country except Kuwait (one of our owners), kicked us out."
In terms of the long view, it is apt."

It is only apt when you can name a single Arab country that invites the U.S. military in to set up a permanent military presence.

(I'm willing to wait....)

gadad

I need to intervene for a homeboy shout-out . . .

Would anyone agree that Sam Nunn would be a better VP choice for Obama than John Edwards? I doubt that two one-term Senators would provide comfort to those who worry about the experience factor. With 24 years of Senate experience, Armed Services expertise, and a Southern Democratic balance to the ticket, Nunn would provide an ideal counterpart to a youthful presidential candidate. And still vigorous at age 69, he might look like the elder statesman that a lot of voters would prefer to McCain.

xiggi

A couple of months ago, someone posited on CC that Obama's lead of 91 delegates would all but vanish by this time of the year and that super delegates would carry it for Hillary.

Well, despite a few variances in the sources, it seems that Obama is ahead by 150 delegates and is only trailing by 15 Super Delegates. Also, he needs fewer than 200 delegates to clinch the prize.

Is it really possible for Hillary to win? Ickes is very good but he is no magician. The trends in SD support show a clear pattern for Obama, especially in the past 3 months. Why does her campaign think the SD will endorse her massively?

Does Hillary expect that every delegate from Michigan or Florida would be ... hers?

Hunt

The telltale sign might be whether she does any additional ad buys in the upcoming states. If she doesn't, that would tend to confirm the idea that she is staying in to try to draw down the campaign debt.

zoosermom

"It is only apt when you can name a single Arab country that invites the U.S. military in to set up a permanent military presence."

Mini, stop the baiting, ok? As you know, that's (a) not the point I was making and (b) our friends in Kuwait and the Emirates aren't necessarily unhappy with our presence, as well as Saudi Arabia. Keeps your friends in Iran in check. Address the point of the "100 years" quote and stop playing games.

1sokkermom

Hillary's Final Hope

http://www.webspawner.com/users/hill.../Hillbilly.jpg

Hunt

It's not necessary to pick apart the 100 years quote in detail in order to understand the deeper truth it represents: McCain thinks the Iraq invasion was a good idea, and believes that some greater "victory" can be achieved through perseverance. Since most Americans no longer think this, I think this has to hurt him in the election no matter how he phrases it.

Hunt

1sokkermom, unless that's a picture of Obama's love child, I don't think it helps Hillary at this point. If it's a voter, it might help McCain, I guess.

1sokkermom

Nope. West Virginia voter. Hillbilly's for Hillary Unite!

( Hillary + Bill = Hillbilly. )

CNN is reporting that she is fighting on in West Virginia as we speak.....

zoosermom

It's not necessary to pick apart the 100 years quote in detail in order to understand the deeper truth it represents: McCain thinks the Iraq invasion was a good idea, and believes that some greater "victory" can be achieved through perseverance"

Oh I completely agree that this will hurt him, as I think the war vote hurt Hillary. I've never been a supporter of the war, as my history of posts will attest, but I do know that Senator McCain's quote was taken out of context and edited by the democrats. Speaking of smear machines. Whether I agree with the war or the post-war debacle, I do believe that a presence is going to be necessary for a long time.

zoosermom

"Nope. West Virginia voter. Hillbilly's for Hillary Unite!

( Hillary + Bill = Hillbilly. )"

I like that! And I plan to steal it in real life. With attribution, of course.

mini

"Mini, stop the baiting, ok? As you know, that's (a) not the point I was making and (b) our friends in Kuwait and the Emirates aren't necessarily unhappy with our presence, as well as Saudi Arabia. Keeps your friends in Iran in check. Address the point of the "100 years" quote and stop playing games."

The point is McCain's almost complete lack of understanding of both foreign and military affairs. He doesn't understand that Saudi Arabia KICKED THE U.S. out. He doesn't understand that every U.S. soldier in an Arab country is a lightning rod for attack, and, given the history of U.S. involvement, often for good reason. He doesn't understand the differences between Sunnis and Shias, between Arab and non-Arab Muslims. He truly believes it is possible for U.S. soldiers to be stationed in Arab countries for 100 years while the U.S. expropriates their treasure, without a single soldier being killed or injured.

He really is a cipher. I'm sure his handlers are working on it, but he can only trade on the war hero stuff for so long (not quite sure what he did that was heroic, other than bomb civilians and then get shot down, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), before someone asks him to find France on a map.

The deeper truth is that he hasn't a clue.

poetsheart

My sense of fairness makes me want to ride to Hillary's defense concerning the Goldwater to liberal switch. She was a child when she supported Goldwater, and very much influenced by her parents' political views. I believe that as she entered the wider world, she was challenged to seriously reexamine her political views (which happens a lot in college, I sure everyone would agree). And the sixties were a very turbulent time, when virtually all Americans were forced out of their comfort zones on social and political issues. Young people, especially, showed a great deal of courage on that front. Hillary was most certainly among them.

I don't like caricatures, and I believe the tendency to paint Hillary as totally evil and self-serving is, well---wrong. I believe she and Bill have been allies of the AfAm community, and have proven their commitment to equality and Civil Rights for many years. I don't think she has ever flip-flopped on this issue.

I have to say that I'm in awe of Hillary's legendary determination. The woman is like a pit bull---which can be an extremely valuable asset when channeled in the proper direction. The flip side of that is the application of determination, as exemplified by George W. Bush, a downright stubbornness, which when applied to Iraq and his failed economic policies, has resulted in calamity for us all.

If Bill weren't along for the ride, I might have been one of her supporters during this race---though with some reservations. I have real reservations over both Obama and McCain, too.

zoosermom

"The point is McCain's almost complete lack of understanding of both foreign and military affairs. "
I'm not a fan of Senator McCain, so I'm not going to defend him. But I do know that the Saudis are fond of playing both sides of the fence.