Obama won 90+ supports from afro American community

stockmarket · 05-07-2008, 08:51 PM

Congratulation to Obama and his supporter for a hard fought Win. I have voted for him in primary because I thought he is different. I am a supporter of Democratic Party. Mrs. Clinton cannot win without Afro American Vote. Therefore, she is out of the picture. She should graciously bow out so democrat can win the ultimate prize.

However, I am having some questions as I saw them rasied by other people on other thraeds. The purpose of this thread is not to put people down or make them uncomfortable. We huaman always ask among ourselves some questions that are out there. I myself do not have answers and still puzzle me, as statistics do not lie. I am sure we have our reasons to support a candidate so without putting anyone down I am asking. I hope Obama get support of white majority and win the fall election, than following questions may not be pertinent. This country has always been a beacon for true democracy.

Obama won 90+ supports from afro American community. This number is mind boggling as it outside of normal statistical parameters. If this voting was 60/40 or even 70/30, it was within normal range. I do not think anyone in their right mind can call it is racism against Hillary.

I wonder if majority of predominant white voters and that includes the majority of democrat and a big chunk of Republican white voters who may not vote for Obama in general election (That will be devastating for us democrat). It is a kind of a hidden argument used by Hillary supporters.

Q1. Many prominent Afro Americans called Mr. Clinton the first Afro American President. When he was in trouble as a president, he got his biggest support from Afro American Community. He has done many nice things for the community as a president. However, as soon as this primary election came, why Hillary lost 90% support from Afro American community? Did she have a policy that caused this problem? What was the reason for this much opposition against her. If not then is this a case of reverse racism?

Q2. Would people still call the white majority as racist if they do not support an Afro American Candidate if Obama loose because of lack of white support? Even though we just saw that Afro American community voted more than 90+ for an afro American candidate over an equally deserving white candidate.

Q3. If there were not an Afro American candidate, would Hillary have probably still lost 90% support among Afro American voters?

What other people think about these issues?

stockmarket · 05-07-2008, 09:10 PM

On the other side, Afro American community has always supported the democrat. In addition, many minority candidates have won election with majority white support. Patrick Deval is the governor of Massachusetts.

Even though Jindal is an Indian. He has no white or AA base based on race. He still won with the support and became governor in a southern state. In addition, Rush Limbaugh is supporting his name for the Republican Party VP candidate. Even Republican Party nominated an AA candidate for the Maryland Governorship Candidacy.

tega · 05-07-2008, 09:37 PM

African Americans voted 90% for John Kerry, but he still lost. They have been the most loyal group for the party, but the party needs to attract more coalitions to broaden their base. Kerry lost both the electoral college and the popular vote, even though a lot of people were mad about the iraq war.

Donna Brazile want to form a new coalition for the party consisting of young voters, blacks and ultra liberals, good luck with that. This coalition will be lucky to win two states. I think someone forgot to send her the memo that Latinos make up the largest minority group.

The Republican party has figured out how to win the White House by mastering how the electoral college works. It is going to take a long time for the Democratic party to figure it out. There is a reason why Bill Clinton has been the only two term president for the party in a long time.

I think it is high time we got rid of the electoral college.

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Q2. Would people still call the white majority as racist if they do not support an Afro American Candidate if Obama loose because of lack of white support? Even though we just saw that Afro American community voted more than 90+ for an afro American candidate over an equally deserving white candidate.

He will lose a few of the white votes due to racism, but he is not going to win the white vote because a lot of them are part of the Republican party. He also has to win about 65% of the latino vote, Bush won about 44% of their votes. Donna Brazile does not think they are part of the new coalition, so I think they will break heavily for McCain.

stockmarket · 05-07-2008, 09:49 PM

Tega you told the facts I know. Thanks. I think my limited communication skills did not speel the answers I am looikng for. Let me ask

1. Why 90% AA people did not vote for Hillary. What was the reason?
2. If white do not vote for Obama and he looses election, would we democrat has a right to call white people racist? I think it will be unfair given what happened to Hillary.
3. is it possible that Hillary would have received at least 50% AA vote, if Obama was not present - that mean they voted for him because of his race.

Electrol College is part of constitutuion. How would you convince 2/3 of states to give up thier right. If popular vote was the case, people will cater to the needs of big city voters and will forget rural voters. I do not see if this will ever change as 2/3 states will not ratify this and loose power.

stockmarket · 05-07-2008, 09:55 PM

Under Donna Brazile Democrat has created a problem that needs to address as it has given urban voters unfair advantages in more delegates even if votes cast are same. Why a voter in urban area has more weight age than a rural voter as current democratic system allow higher ratio of delegated for urban area voters over same number of votes received in rural area.

How democrat can ask for abolition of electrol college when they themselves are exploting the rules which allow them to win more delegates for thier choice of candidate? Is it not unfair to speak both ways and support whatever the needs are?

tega · 05-07-2008, 10:24 PM

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1. Why 90% AA people did not vote for Hillary. What was the reason?
2. If white do not vote for Obama and he looses election, would we democrat has a right to call white people racist? I think it will be unfair given what happened to Hillary.
3. is it possible that Hillary would have received at least 50% AA vote, if Obama was not present - that mean they voted for him because of his race.

1. After Nevada, when the polls showed that Hillary was doing very well among AA in South Carolina, Obama and his people had to find a way to brand the Clintons as racists. When Hillary said LBJ was instrumental in getting the civil rights act passed, they seized on this, and they sent their surrogates and their media choir to brand the Clintons. Donna Brazile was caught with a memo on what to say on CNN.

Delegates are awarded based on how the county voted for Kerry in 2004, and since AA voted 90% for kerry, all the AA counties carried more delegates. As soon as the bashing began, she started losing the support of AA. She however, won about 40% and 30% of the AA votes in NY and AR, I guess they forgot to send them the memo.

2. The Democratic party does not have the right to call anybody anything. Their new coalition is made up of young voters, blacks, and ultra liberals, they have excluded latinos, older people, white collar workers, etc.

The Democratic Party that shouted so loudly in 2000 that GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE, and every vote must count is playing a different tune this time around. A lot of the so called party leaders wanted to get rid of the electoral college. This time they are talking about the delegate math. I guess they forgot in 2000 that it was the electoral college math that was important not the popular vote.

ucsd_ucla_dad · 05-07-2008, 10:29 PM

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If white do not vote for Obama and he looses election, would we democrat has a right to call white people racist?

No. There'll be a lot of people who won't vote for Obama because they don't think he's the best candidate - not because of his skin color. Similarly, a lot of people won't vote for Hillary because they think she's not the best candidate - not because they're sexist.

stockmarket · 05-07-2008, 10:52 PM

ucsd dad:

But most of my ultra liberal democrat friends are calling that Obama will loose election because majority of white are racist. According to them majority will not vote for him, because he is AA. Yet when I ask them about AA supporting with 90% to obama, my friends get mad at me for questioning them.

mini · 05-07-2008, 11:34 PM

Bill Clinton told them to vote for Obama as they did for Jesse Jackson. And so they did.

Didn't stop Obama from winning states that are virtually all white, such as Iowa and Idaho.

(But Bill also disenfranchised 12% of African-American males through drug sentencing laws specifically targeting forms of drugs used almost exclusively by African-Americans.)

WashDad · 05-07-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tega

The Republican party has figured out how to win the White House by mastering how the electoral college works. It is going to take a long time for the Democratic party to figure it out. There is a reason why Bill Clinton has been the only two term president for the party in a long time.

I think it is high time we got rid of the electoral college.

1. The Republicans have figured out how to win elections.
2. The Republicans use their knowledge of how elections are won in this country.
3. I don't like Republicans.
4. Therefore, we should change the current system to insure that Democrats win.

It's kind of like a Logic 100 thought problem. I wonder if you would be so enthusiastic if the party names in the above were reversed.

Hunt · 05-08-2008, 09:31 AM

I think early in the campaign, there was some hesitance among black voters to support Obama, probably because it wasn't clear whether he really would be a strong candidate, and because the Clintons had, in fact, earned support from minorities. (Remember back when people were arguing about whether Obama was "black enough?" Seems like a long time ago.) But as Obama began to pick up support among white voters, it became more and more clear that he was a viable candidate. At that point, I think it was natural for black voters to support him, just as it is natural for white female voters to support Hillary Clinton. Both of these candidates are pretty similar on the issues, and both looked--and still look--like they could mount a strong campaign in November. So it's not surprising that identification with one or the other led people to make the choice between them. But once the nomination is clinched (almost certainly by Obama), idenfification will be less important, I think. Obama will still get the vast majority of black votes, but any Democrat would. There will be a few people who will vote against him because he is black, but I can't believe that many of those people would vote for another Democrat. The issues will become more important, and we will be hearing a lot about age, experience, elitism, temperament, religious affiliations and beliefs, etc.

nameneeded · 05-08-2008, 09:50 AM

Living in a swing state whose votes are not counting, I have spoken to no one that plans to vote for Obama. There is little enthusiasm about any of the candidates, but I would say McCain will have a good chance here because it seems there is a lot of mistrust of Obama. People think he is a pandering opportunist. They prefer Hillary, but if she is not the candidate, many will either not vote or vote for McCain.

I personally like none of them very much, but would vote for Clinton or McCain over Obama. I don't like Obama for president because he is a lightweight when it comes to policy. Also I think he was a fool to listen to Rev Wright for 20 years. This is my opinion, and I would appreciate not being attacked for it. You can love Obama, but many people can't stand him, like me.

Hunt · 05-08-2008, 09:52 AM

Why would anybody attack an opinion like that, since it's not based on any facts? We can't really attack it without insulting you, and that wouldn't be worthy of an Obama supporter.

CRD456 · 05-08-2008, 10:52 AM

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the point the OP is trying to make is that people would be calling whites racist if Hillary won 90% of the white vote.

mini · 05-08-2008, 11:13 AM

"I personally like none of them very much, but would vote for Clinton or McCain over Obama. I don't like Obama for president because he is a lightweight when it comes to policy."

Obama a lightweight compared with McCain? He who can't figure out a Shiite from a Sunni, a Muslim from an Arab, and probably can't find France on a map? He who doesn't "understand" economics? What is it, exactly, that he is a "heavyweight" on? It's not like he didn't have years and decades to bone up. (Maybe it's congenital?)