hayden

momof1 - in a conversation with someone, my brother was saying he was against the Iraq war because it endangered the soldiers in a mission they shouldn't be fighting. The person he was speaking with immediately attacked him as being against the military, and not supporting the troops. We all thought that was pretty humorous, since my brother just retired as a sargeant major after 25 years of service.

momof1

Hmmmm. Defensive? I don't think so. Perhaps. Out of touch? I don't think so. I haven't been in the military, but was a Navy spouse for 15 years before my husband retired. Now I teach on an Air Force base. Yes, our son is in the Navy (will be commissioned in a few days). Interestingly I didn't say anything about the war. Haven't here. Or the administration. Yet assumptions have been made about me. Hmmm.



"My heart would break to think about young people who are moving right from their parents house- to their own ( paid for by taxpayers as in teh case of the military couple)
Id be curious if they were married and he joined the service before they concieved or after." Emeraldkity

Emeraldkity

Please rethink your comment about the military couple. It is insulting and, in fact, shows an ignorance and degradation of those who serve in the military. I commend the father for being responsible enough to find a job which provided medical coverage, a home, an education and for being willing to take responsibility for himself and his family. You seem to liken a military position to welfare or some sort of social program. It is a noble profession and your question about conception leaves me wondering if you believe that perhaps those who are in the military are "working the system." You should be ashamed of yourself. This snide comment had nothing to do with the question at hand and was only a cheap shot against those who defend your right to trash them.

I did not mention her by name, but since she decided to call me out of touch, well, I thought that I would excerpt the conversation that evidently caused her to make this assumption.


I agree with late to school about the fruitlessness of political discussion in a forum such as this.

Oh well, I have a busy week next week to plan for!

Have a great Navy day!

zoosermom

There are lots of liberals here, some conservatives, and some who march to their own band. Like me. I have noticed that some of the nastiest and most abusive posters were liberal, but seem to be gone now, so it's mostly in good fun.

emeraldkity4

I also thought that she was out of touch with those actually in or veterans of the military.
I have met soldiers currently serving and veterans who would not describe themselves as conservative.

WHy do conservatives think that they are the only ones who are patriotic or believe in volunteering for their country?

Where did I mention anything about the war?

I should have amended my statement to say you were out of touch with " some" soldiers, because obviously some would identify as conservative as well as liberal or elsewhere on the political spectrum.
I apologize for that.
However, I think we tend to pay attention to those who share our perspective and while you know conservative soldiers, I know those who are liberal/progressive .

owlice

The obvious answer is:

Only the smart ones!



:: runs for cover ::

TimeCruncher

If you think it’s tough being a conservative on this forum, try being a moderate!

I mentioned on another thread (the only political thread to which I have contributed) that my political views are “all over the place,” and that I do not conform to any single political party’s ideology. Throughout my near 37-year voter registration history, I have registered Republican, Democrat, and Reform; however, I have been a registered independent/nonpartisan more often than not, and I don’t see myself affiliating with any political party anytime soon--perhaps never again. I have always split my ticket, and I have always voted for individuals who (regardless of their age, gender, race, ethnicity, religion, socioeconomic background, and party affiliation) are likely to best represent me and mine.

Like ucsd_ucla_dad, I don’t bother reading many of this forum’s political threads, which are a rehash of "the same old arguments being made by the same players." Like latetoschool, I don’t contribute to the political threads because my moderate viewpoints are unlikely to “shift, let alone change, anyone‘s point of view.” I am among those who--as zoosermom observes--“march to their own band.” Unfortunately, political extremists don’t like our tune.

If I were to reveal some of my non-extremist political viewpoints on this forum--viewpoints I think are shared by many citizens of this country as well as many members of this forum--I would first be kicked to smithereens by the extremist donkeys, and my shattered remains would then be trampled into a puddle by the extremist elephants. So, I will remain a member of this forum’s politically silent moderates, and make my political voice heard where it counts--at the ballot box.

Tyler09

college aged students tend to be more liberal, especially highly intellectual ones.

jym626

Funny, zoos... my perspective was that there were probably as many, if not more conservatives who were "over the top" in their nasty or abusive verbal assaults here, and now seem to be gone.

momof1-
I think what people are responding to was the assumption that people here would " inevitably attack" the military and those who choose to serve. That seems to be provoking an argument, IMO. Why make such assumptions or such statements? I guess I just don't get it. And as for EK's quote that you post in your post # 17. Where is this from? I must be overlooking it here on this thread. I can't seem to find it.

mathmom

I think I was a moderate once upon a time, but the last 8 years have turned me into a complete liberal.

churchmusicmom

Conservative here (well, more libertarian). Also very, very afraid of getting trampled in any political discussion...

momof1

EKs post wasn't on this thread, but was included as an example of a previous exchange that perhaps colors my perception. Do a search. She brought it up, in her reference to my being thin-skinned and out of touch. Just my experience, which, again, obviously colors my perception.

EK I didn't say you said anything about the war. I just said I didn't. I also didn't say I thought liberals were unpatriotic. Dang. I only said I was going to duck and cover.

Glad to hear y'all support the military and those who choose to serve.

jym626

momof1
I believe you are not supposed to bring conversations from one thread into another thread. You might want to check the CC TOS for the rules on this.

jym626

As an aside, I believe it is a bit of a generalization to assume or imply that people who support the military are conservative. My H was active duty for many years. He is the commander of a veterans post. We went to a friend's son's commissioning ceremony a few weeks ago. We support the folks in uniform, but not the war. My H disagrees with many of our president's decisions (has anyone seen how low the presidents rating is these days) and he has slowly transitioned his political affiliation. But none of these are the issues here. To be honest, IMO, post #3 was like throwing out bait for someone to bite. Not sure what that was all about. And IMO, it did seem defensive. But again, just IMO. Can't speak for others. This isn't the Vietnam era. Men and women in uniform get applauded, not spit on. No need to be testy. These are different times.

I agree with Tyler-- there seem to be a lot of more liberal minded people in higher education, especially students.. Again, just my opinion, FWIW.

zoosermom

"Funny, zoos... my perspective was that there were probably as many, if not more conservatives who were "over the top" in their nasty or abusive verbal assaults here, and now seem to be gone."

Maybe before my time, or they didn't PM to call me a Nazi so I just didn't notice.

marite

Out of curiosity:
1.Who is the "we" (besides Momof1, of course) in this sentence?

2.Who is supposed to launch "inevitable attacks against the military and those who choose to serve?'

3. Why is it necessary to duck for cover? Who is presumed to be ready to shoot (figuratively, of course--aren't liberals for gun control?) at the poster for voicing her opinion?

Just asking.